Mystery Lesser Clutch? Help ID?

[XSReptiles]

Congrats, amazing clutch there.

[rabernet]

I would definitely send pictures to Ralph and get the opinion on whether these are platty's or not - directly from the man himself. He answers all his e-mails, and who better to get an opinion from on them, than from the man who has seen more Platty Daddy's than anyone.

Congratulations, it's a stunning clutch!

[RandyRemington]

Hmm after seeing the daddy I would almost be willing to bet that he's the culprit. Looks more platy to me than lesser. Could just be the pic though.

But platy X normal can't produce platy because lesser and hidden are alleles (different versions of the same gene). The platy dad could only give one version to each baby, either hidden or lesser, but not both. So even if dad where a platy the babies would still need hidden from mom.

It might be that hidden isn't all that rare in the normal looking population. Dang, I need a lesser to breed to all my females just in case.

[MarkS]

Hmm after seeing the daddy I would almost be willing to bet that he's the culprit. Looks more platy to me than lesser. Could just be the pic though.

No, I've got a lesser that looks very much like that, but he sure didn't look like that as a baby, he just got lighter as he got older. With this clutch you can tell which is which right at hatching.

[Oxylepy]

It might be that hidden isn't all that rare in the normal looking population. Dang, I need a lesser to breed to all my females just in case.

How amazing would it be to breed a Lesser to a morph and get Platinum/Morph snakes. The whole time that het daddy gene had been sitting in some morph line, shuffled around, and ultimately pops up out of nowhere.

Also, to OP, definitely message Ralph, if they are Platinum, breed them together. 50% Platinums, 25% BELs, !!!!25% HOM DADDYS!!!!

I would love to have 2 Platinums just to try and get a Hom Daddy, it could be sold as such and would produce 50% Platinums and Butter Daddys when bred to each respective snake.

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

Alright I gotta ask...

I always thought Lesser's and lesser platinums were the same just a different name. Can someone explain what exactly "platinum" means and why they differ from lessers. They seem hypoish is that the only difference?

Ralphs original snake is a Platinum, aka "Platty daddy". His first generation offspring didn't look quite like him, so he called them "Lesser Platinums", as in not quite platinum.

Later it was discovered that some of "Platty daddy's" normal looking offspring carried the extra "hidden gene" that when combined with a lesser platinum will produce a true Platinum.

You are correct, lesser is just short for lesser platinum. But Platinum is a snake like platty daddy that has the hidden gene as well.

Also, Ralph has bred a butter to a hidden gene carrier and produced a butter daddy that has the caracteristics of a platinum as well.

[MKHerps]

I typed this same message yesturday and it didnt post. It was a bit longer but said the same thing. I wasnt going to type it agian so I am glad you did. Yes Ralph is a great guy and will talk to anyone. He isnt like some other big breeders who only talks to you when you buy animals from them.

Ralphs original snake is a Platinum, aka "Platty daddy". His first generation offspring didn't look quite like him, so he called them "Lesser Platinums", as in not quite platinum.

Later it was discovered that some of "Platty daddy's" normal looking offspring carried the extra "hidden gene" that when combined with a lesser platinum will produce a true Platinum.

You are correct, lesser is just short for lesser platinum. But Platinum is a snake like platty daddy that has the hidden gene as well.

Also, Ralph has bred a butter to a hidden gene carrier and produced a butter daddy that has the caracteristics of a platinum as well.

[jluman]

Looks to me like you have four platinum hatchlings there, congrats! There is absolutely no way those are hypo lessers. Here's a hypo butter right out of the egg, a hypo lesser looks more or less the same:

[Dustin]

Wow that's an awesome and unexpected clutch you have! Congrats! I dont think I would be able to keep my eyes off them lol

[Russ Lawson]

Wow, what an amazing clutch! Those definitely look like platinums to me. Huge congrats!