New from africa !!!

[pavlovk1025]

something like that isnt really a dinker, thats a flat out morph

Noooo...thats about as dinker as a dinker gets.

Dinker = Unproven trait

Kind of unproven at this point, wouldnt you say? Regardless of the speculation as to what it is, at the end of the day this is an import whose genetics are unknown.

Either way, I hope its something new. Congrats on your new project, and damnit Brock...how many different pies you gonna have your fingers in man?! lol

[Ryan Young]

I am in the camp that butters and lessers are the same morph. I think that since they look the same and both of them can and do make the combo that has "daddy" before it as well as BELs with bug eyes it sure sounds the same to me.
I was looking at your site and you have some great stuff and I saw your AU caramels. Have you proved that out yet? I would also say that snake is probably in this group as well. I guess I am curious to see since you have a straberry cream, Ultramel, and AU caramel are you planning on breeding them together? I can see the fanancial reasons not to as having some of them being new morphs for as long as possible would make them worth more. The same thing worked well for the Butters.

Here is a pic that I hope helps with my point. These two snakes are both Lav Albinos. They are the same morph and all the babies would be Lavs. If you look at those two they look less like eachother than any of the snakes in the group we are talking about and yet no one is trying to call them seperate morphs.



Ryan Young

[AaronP]

Looks cool but reminds me of an Utramel. You know how you test that theory? Well since Ultramels are Recessive, simply breed an Ultramel to it, if you the animals you get look like mom/dad then you have your answer.

Frankly, as an unproven morph (if it turns out to be genetic, I have no doubts that it will, but it is unproven) everyone is just guessing at this point.

To be honest, I hope it doesn't turn out to be co-dominate though.

[SansCera]

Great looking snake! Thanks for sharing

Any chance for an eyeball shot??

[Toronto Python Gurus]

I am in the camp that butters and lessers are the same morph. I think that since they look the same and both of them can and do make the combo that has "daddy" before it as well as BELs with bug eyes it sure sounds the same to me.
I was looking at your site and you have some great stuff and I saw your AU caramels. Have you proved that out yet? I would also say that snake is probably in this group as well. I guess I am curious to see since you have a straberry cream, Ultramel, and AU caramel are you planning on breeding them together? I can see the fanancial reasons not to as having some of them being new morphs for as long as possible would make them worth more. The same thing worked well for the Butters.

Here is a pic that I hope helps with my point. These two snakes are both Lav Albinos. They are the same morph and all the babies would be Lavs. If you look at those two they look less like eachother than any of the snakes in the group we are talking about and yet no one is trying to call them seperate morphs.



Ryan Young

I would have to agree, there are dirty dark pastels and very nice yellow bright pastels, I wouldnt call them different morphs because they look different, they are both still pastels. . . When I first started there were already enough morphs for me to try and remember and figure out now for all those newbies out there it just gets more confusing, I always have numerous emails in the inbox asking the difference between this and that. I have seen Pieds come from Africa mixed into bags with normals now you don't see people calling them something new because they are a new line of pieds from Africa they are still pieds. If a morph is really something different like blue, green and purple then prove it out and call it rainbow ball but if it is a snake that looks like a morph that is already proven then contact the breeder who produced it ask questions send them pictures, then prove yours out and see what comes of it. . . .just my two cents


All in all great project, again I'm betting it's recessive and i'm sure the snake has a bright future breeding with you guys. . . best of luck!

[BAMReptiles]

Noooo...thats about as dinker as a dinker gets.

Dinker = Unproven trait

Kind of unproven at this point, wouldnt you say? Regardless of the speculation as to what it is, at the end of the day this is an import whose genetics are unknown.

Either way, I hope its something new. Congrats on your new project, and damnit Brock...how many different pies you gonna have your fingers in man?! lol

eh dinker to me means, normal that might have a slightly odd pattern or color, that could prove genetic.

they already said they thought this was a new line of ultramel or caramel or something ( dont remember exactly ). but yea, i consider dinkers to be at least fairly normal looking, this is hardly normal looking lol. something this far from the standard wild phenotype is pretty much guaranteed to be genetic.

at least thats my .02 on it

ps that thing is HOT

[albinosunlimited]

ok one last point then i am not going to keep this going. SO are all ghosts ghosts? I mean a ghost is a ghost and if you breed ghost to ghost you get all ghost every time

[Brock Wagner]

Ryan this is my only post back to you because I know that you can go on all day over your beloved Ultramel/Crider Caramel debate.

We have been contacted by several big breeders and they seem to think that it is a Toffee. That was my first reaction to the pictures that I saw first. We have considered that it might be a Ultramel but after detailed scrutiny and analysis we thought no it is not. Truth be told no one including yourself knows what it is. The fun part for us is to breed her out and make babies and see if she is a Toffee or a Ultramel or God forbid something new. She is very exciting for us and we look forward to making more of her as she is just a stunning snake.

If you care to keep at it that is fine just respect us enough to know that we are happy with her and can't wait to find out what she is as we don't CLAIM to know anything about her genetics yet.

And for the record I think it would be awesome if she was a Codom or Dominant.

Thanks for reading.
Brock

[SlitherinSisters]

Wow she's awesome! What does she weigh?

[davidnizmo]

very nice snake