Goblins/Yellowbellies

[Skyespirit86]

I read these are different lines of the same thing. how exactly does that work....i am confused. since people say butters and lessers are the same thing, but were collected seperately in the wild and are visually different so why are they deemed just a different line, rather than a different allele like the other BEL complex snakes? How does anyone know?

So were goblins seperately collected from the wild which their own unique allelw, just like lessers and mojave for instance, or is it a line someone just seperated in captivity? are they visually different to each other?

or is it a case of two breeders getting some of the same snakes when they emerged and one attempting to name it one thing and the other name it something else?

[Emilio]

or is it a case of two breeders getting some of the same snakes when they emerged and one attempting to name it one thing and the other name it something else?

This is exactly what happened.

[mason]

This is exactly what happened.

Yep, and in both the cases you mention.(butter/lesser and goblin/YB/green goblin/het ivory and with the hypos yellow, orange, butterscotch, phantom/mystic fire/sulphur etc etc)

[Bruceweb]

goblin is the Ralph Davis line of yb

[briz]

If you look at the pics of Ralph's original male you will see why he thought it was something else.

[briz]

Here is his original male.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/im.../goblin_05.jpg