Hets w/visual traits/ Breeders opinions

[JayCee]

Let's say a Clown has a definite "marker" that shows up in all normal offspring and even when matched with other morphs.

With that said, is it possible that Clown is actually a subtle co-dom morph and what we know as a "clown" is actually the super form of the morph ??

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Let's say a Clown has a definite "marker" that shows up in all normal offspring and even when matched with other morphs.

With that said, is it possible that Clown is actually a subtle co-dom morph and what we know as a "clown" is actually the super form of the morph ??

Thats a really good question. I wasnt even going to get into recessives but I now have 3 different pairs of hets for different things and the more I learn about them the more interesting it is.

Consider the subtle co-doms like sables. There are a handful of these that have a super form. But For most of the recessives maybe it just the gene expressing itself in some way that only those that work with them can notice.

It seems like alot of them do have common traits that are more likely to show up in certain lines. Your line might have a consistant trait that every het has while my line might have a completely different consistant trait.

[machuz2]

well if with different hets u notice traits do u notice anything about het albinos cause i just bought one and want to know if what i got is what i paid for

Thanks

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Honestly with most hets there is no 100% positive way to identify it other than breeding it to an albino, but alot of breeders can pick out the hets in a pile of normals if its something they have worked with alot. Look at the other posts. Someone siad albinos tend to have a more rough texture and have a harder time shedding. Maybe this will apply to yours.

[twistedtails]

So would you guys say this looks like a het Caramel? She is definately het for something, but, we don't know what it is. A buddy picked a female up from a reputable breeder and she laid eggs. He forgot what the breeder said she was bred to. What do you guys think. By the way, the group I have is 1.3 and they all look the same when it comes to blushing and colors.



Here is a pic of the male...

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

I dont think you're going to get anyone to say yes thats a het. This is more of a comparison thread. Like even if you bred het to het you couldnt sell the normal babies as 100% hets since it all boils down to percentages and recessive genes. Even if you are positive as the breeder that those normals look exactly like every other het you have proved out.

BUT, that snake you have pictured does look alot like my het caramels. What do the eyes look like? Mine have lighter eyes than a normal. A bronze tint to the top color of the eye.

I believe there are quite alot of hets out there that no one even knows about but what are the chances of breeding 2 "normals" that look identical and getting something else?

Im having this dinker issue with my biggest normal female. She was bred to a pastel last year but the only baby that looked different (out of all pastels) was a female. Kind of a bummer that I cant breed back but I'll keep trying to figure it out.

[illini4x4]

So would you guys say this looks like a het Caramel? She is definately het for something, but, we don't know what it is. A buddy picked a female up from a reputable breeder and she laid eggs. He forgot what the breeder said she was bred to. What do you guys think. By the way, the group I have is 1.3 and they all look the same when it comes to blushing and colors.

Sure does look like my het caramel. My male has the same blushing and golden color, white around the alien heads and a few flames on the sides, but as everyone else said, you never know until you prove them out

[twistedtails]

I dont think you're going to get anyone to say yes thats a het. This is more of a comparison thread. Like even if you bred het to het you couldnt sell the normal babies as 100% hets since it all boils down to percentages and recessive genes. Even if you are positive as the breeder that those normals look exactly like every other het you have proved out.

BUT, that snake you have pictured does look alot like my het caramels. What do the eyes look like? Mine have lighter eyes than a normal. A bronze tint to the top color of the eye.

I believe there are quite alot of hets out there that no one even knows about but what are the chances of breeding 2 "normals" that look identical and getting something else?

Im having this dinker issue with my biggest normal female. She was bred to a pastel last year but the only baby that looked different (out of all pastels) was a female. Kind of a bummer that I cant breed back but I'll keep trying to figure it out.

It's obvious that nobody can say it is indeed a het without knowing the genetics. After comparing a bunch of pics of this group and some hets online, I have come to think they look a lot like het Caramels also. I have 2 of the females breeding this year, so it is only a matter of time. It is going to be kind of interesting to see if they come out Caramels though. Sorry to highjack your thread. Back on topic, I think all hets have some kind of visual markers.

[RandyRemington]

A buddy picked a female up from a reputable breeder and she laid eggs. He forgot what the breeder said she was bred to.

Could it have been genetic stripe?

Anyone have any theories on identifying the more likely het stripes out of possible het stripes?

[Bill Buchman]

Randy,

Would a single males offspring from mult. clutches that had 100% consistent/reliable markers(ALL offspring have them) make that gene codom by defintion. Afterall, the odds of 1 in 4 to make a visual are the same for both simple recessive and codom(super)?

I am working with 2 males ( 1 CH and one WC) that I believe to be SUPERS based solely on their offspring from MULTIPLE clutches. It seems that most people assume that a visual WC or CH is either homozygous recessive or dominant. Nobody seems to consider a codominant animal. I know that VISUAL dominant animals being gatthered up would keep them from finding "their kind", breeding, and producing a super.

I know you can decipher what i am getting at Randy.

Am I way off. My animals are telling me I am not -- I think