Expert help - who is the Daddy?

[pastel01]

Hi All

This was clutch 2 who have grown up a bit already. A normal mother (well brought 6 years ago as a normal) and the Dad could be Lemon Pastel, Cinnamon, Mojave or Bumblebee (none of which were ever purchased as being het albino) - nothing else as I have no normal males.

Result was 2 albinos (very high contrast orange and white) and 2 'normals'.

Now piccies as follows:

• A body shot of the 'normal'.
• A comparison of the 'normal' with it's albino sibling
• A comparison of the albino sibling with a Nerd High Contrast Albino from clutch 1
• A comparison of the heads of the 2 albinos.

Both of the albinos in this clutch look the same. The reason for the headshot is to show the difference in colour and also the shape of the nose. Both albinos from this clutch have the 'duck billed' look of a Super Cinnamon. And the shape is quite different from the normal high contrast albino.

I love this clutch to bits and will be keeping all 4 snakes, but I am so frustrated at not being 100% sure who the Dad is.

Please can you share your views on who the Dad is.

[JLC]

Wow...very cool mystery clutch! That must be exceedingly frustrating to not know which of the co-doms was also het albino!

Both of those albinos are gorgeous! And they look very different from each other. (If I understand right, one of them is from a different clutch and they are not siblings) I can't help but wonder if the clutch #2 albino (the orangey one, right?) is not also expressing one of those co-dom genes? I don't see the duck-bill, though. Or if it's there, it's a very mild expression of it.

It might help to see good comparison pics with the entire clutch...as well as the Mom and the potential fathers. It looks like you have a nice reduced pattern being passed along as well, and maybe that will give a hint about the parentage?

Where's Jerry Springer when you need him, eh???

[NorthernRegius]

What adds to the difficulty level is your clutch itself could have multiple dads... narrowing down which male carries the recessive- wow! At least you know mom's got the gene. Talk about one longshot way of getting Albinos!

[SlitherinSisters]

Wow that is one crazy clutch!!! Good luck finding out which of your males is a het!!

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Dang, and that's a *sharp* surprise albino, too!

I'm going to guess that the pastel is the daddy based on the bit of blushing on the albino from that clutch ... But at the same time, I thought that pastel albinos were a bit more "fuzzy" and lighter than regular albinos, and that albino is super sharp and very rich orange ...

Does anyone have a pic of a "known" albino pastel?

[MustBeSatan]

What adds to the difficulty level is your clutch itself could have multiple dads... narrowing down which male carries the recessive- wow! At least you know mom's got the gene. Talk about one longshot way of getting Albinos!

Exactly what I was thinking. And unless I'm mistaken, if it were a pastel albino, either the pastel or the bee could be the father, although that doesn't really look like any pastel albino I've seen pictures of. Frankly I don't know how you'll figure it out, but I do know that you hit on some unbelievable luck. Like wow. First off, your "normal" female is actually a het, second off one (or more?!) of your male morphs are het albino... Big congrats!

What we really need is someone to post up pics of a pastel albino, a mojave albino, and a cinny albino and maybe we can pick out which one is similar. It's a very interesting albino, with that faded orange stripe down the back...

Hopefully someone who has produced something like this before will chime in and give you some insight. To me, although it's a little bit different, I would say pastel albino just because the pattern doesn't look like a mojave or a cinnamon to me. Also, if it were the Bee, I think the odds would be against you not producing anything but albinos and normals, so either you hit bad odds, or your pastel is the father. That's where I'll put my money, hopefully someone can say with more confidence.

Also, a question, you have a pic of an albino from "clutch 1"... were the potential sires the same for that clutch as well? Or could we narrow it down from that?

EDIT: It occured to me right after I posted this how silly that prediction was, or at least my reasoning was. Could be a snake that hit on the albino gene and missed on the cinnamon or mojave gene... So... Yeah, I'll stick with pastel as my guess, but it's not the logical choice it was in my mind when I first wrote that down haha.

[pastel01]

In terms of it being the male from the first clutch, I only have 1 pair of het albinos which I have had for 6 years and finally proved out.

After that the only normal snakes I have are the 4 females that I have - all other males are visual morphs. I have only ever mated the 4 normal females to visual morphs so I am sure I can exclude teh het male who sired clutch 1 from the investigation!

Some very good suggestions on here from people to post piccies of albino Mojaves, Cinnamons and Pastels. Would be great to see them and compare. Any piccies anyone?

I have to day that the albino colours are distinctly different in this case, but the patterns aren't. I agree they do not look at all like Mojaves or indeed my cinnamon. But they don't look like my Lemon Pastels either!!!

I am so confused!

[snakesRkewl]

Neither has the mojo or cinny patterning, and the light headed one looks possibly albino pastel, other looks albino.
Not sure that helps, lol, but a very kewl clutch

[Hulihzack]

If all you got were normals and albinos, then there will literally be no way of telling which father it was. Perhaps the offspring share pattern traits with the father that you could identify? (i.e. reduced pattern)

[jkobylka]

What a crazy surprise...

I think you have a pastel albino there...

Justin