Lesser and Piebalds crossings?

[Lucas339]

I see this mentioned 4 or 5 times by different people (not meaning to specifically pick on your posts, but they were the first ones).
He states, as well as his birthing records state that he bred a Lesser Het. Pied x Pied. Which means the Pied parent had NO Lesser gene making the Super Lesser Pied an impossible option for that pairing.

Edit: As dr del had already stated, oops. Oh well, further clarifying a point.

sorry if i didn't pick though RDR's birth records to see. its a disappointing cross.

[Oxylepy]

Because butters and lessers are essentially the same morph, just with slightly different colors. Much in the same way that black pastels and cinnies are the same gene from two different lines.

So you're claiming that the Butter he produced off the Butter x Platty Daddy was actually a Lesser and that he doesn't know his snakes?

Yeah, it's a Butter, and there is no reason it should exist if the Daddy gene is actually an allele of the Lesser complex. If it were then, again, all offspring would HAVE to be either Lessers or Daddys. If only one gene for Daddy is required to make a Lesser/Butter stand out then he would either get Lesser Butters or Butter Daddys, however he did not, instead he got a Normal Butter and a Butter Daddy. Mind that a Lesser Butter was still an option, he just didn't get one.

So once again there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that these could be alleles.

[Fearless]

I'm with Dr Del on this one, and that the lessers do not carry the hidden gene to make a platy daddy, only the normal siblings carry this trait. I don't do a whole lot of posting but I do a ton of reading and research on "scratch your head" genetic stuff and am sure that the only way to make a platty is combining a lesser with a hidden gene female. Not a lesser to lesser even if they are a direct product of the platty daddy.

Would love to be able to contribute more on the way that the butter daddy was produced but am unfamiliar with this pairing and have no valuable info to contribute on that subject.

[Kevin_Hornby]

Alright, now explain why he produced a Butter and a Butter Daddy off of Platty Daddy x Butter.

That clutch alone should disprove it being an allele of the Lesser gene.

He did not breed a Platty Daddy to a butter first off. The breeding was a Daddy (normal sib) to a Butter. So his potential for the clutch is as follows

25% Butter
25% Daddy
25% Butter Daddy
25% Normal

[Rasmus Skaaning]

It was actually my brother who started this topic for me since he was lurking on this site before me, but i got my own profile now
Great forum!!

So i can conclude from the topic that there isnt any pictures, or real "proof", of a Pied with the Lesser-colors?

Thanks for all the answers guys
And cool another danish fellow is the first to answer the topic

[CoolioTiffany]

If you were to breed a Lesser to a Pied, all offspring would most likely turn out Lessers and BELs het. Pied (anyone correct me if I'm wrong with the outcome of offspring). The Pied gene is recessive, and the Lesser gene is co-dominant, so the Lesser trait would appear in all offspring besides the BELs (super form of a Lesser).

If you were to breed a Lesser het. Pied x Lesser het. Pied, you would probably get Lessers, BELs, Pieds, and Lesser Pieds. (Again, anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't study the Lessers too much.)

[Fearless]

If you were to breed a Lesser to a Pied, all offspring would most likely turn out Lessers and BELs het. Pied (anyone correct me if I'm wrong with the outcome of offspring). The Pied gene is recessive, and the Lesser gene is co-dominant, so the Lesser trait would appear in all offspring besides the BELs (super form of a Lesser).

If you were to breed a Lesser het. Pied x Lesser het. Pied, you would probably get Lessers, BELs, Pieds, and Lesser Pieds. (Again, anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't study the Lessers too much.)

A lesser bred to a pied would give you lessers het pied and normal het pieds.

Then on the lesser het x lesser het you are correct.

[Oxylepy]

He did not breed a Platty Daddy to a butter first off. The breeding was a Daddy (normal sib) to a Butter. So his potential for the clutch is as follows

25% Butter
25% Daddy
25% Butter Daddy
25% Normal

From the video:

"09 Clutch Number 16
This was three eggs from breeding a Platty Daddy to a Butter Female"

From the site:

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi.../pythons_2.asp

"From breeding a Platty male to a Butter female. Not many eggs......I'm hoping for some platties and maybe a "white snake" which would be a combo of the two traits. There were 2 slugs in this clutch. ( 04 butter f # 3 ) "

Once again, there is no possible way at this point that it could be an allele to the Lesser gene.

[Oxylepy]

And I traced the female back, she doesn't carry the trait maternally, however it doesn't say where the mother's father came from. So it's less likely to be recessive, but still because of that clutch there is no way it can be an allele.

[Fearless]

From the video:

"09 Clutch Number 16
This was three eggs from breeding a Platty Daddy to a Butter Female"

From the site:

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi.../pythons_2.asp

"From breeding a Platty male to a Butter female. Not many eggs......I'm hoping for some platties and maybe a "white snake" which would be a combo of the two traits. There were 2 slugs in this clutch. ( 04 butter f # 3 ) "

Once again, there is no possible way at this point that it could be an allele to the Lesser gene.

Hmmm, I am completely confused. While this breeding is only a week old, give or take, some analysis by someone smarter than me is definately needed. Not sure I completely agree with you yet though. Ralph clearly states in that clutches video that anything bred by a platty daddy carries either A) the Lesser gene or B) the "daddy" dilute

Well that doesn't work in this clutch due to the fact that there is a butter that doesn't carry either a daddy gene or a lesser gene. I am in no position to question Ralph on anything but something doesn't give here... As I wonder if the butter in this video isn't an actually an odd looking lesser... or if the whole theory of that normal siblings all carry the "daddy" dilute isn't necessarily the case.