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    can someone explain triple gene?

    I ahve been seeing this. and I'm getting a bit lost in it all

    I know there are two genes in the snake. ?

    one from mom. one from dad...

    so you roll the dice on breeding to a co-dom, recessive, dom, etc. This I fully grasp.

    Once you get.. say.
    A Pie/Albino and you cross that to another mix. How exactly is the offspring able to pick up 3+ traits?

    does for example Pie/albino become its own unique gene? meaning the snake needs one to show something new? would the het form of albino/pie have visible traits at that point?

    Really not catching this part.. Sorry if its been explained before I haven't seen it

    Shawn

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    Re: can someone explain triple gene?

    Im not sure if I get this right... but this is kinda how I understand things.

    the babie gets dna (multipul genes) from each parent. each gene controls something.. one gene for pattern, one gene for color and another gene for where the pattern goes..

    kinda like us... we get a gene that determines eye color, a gene that determines hair color, a gene that determines how tall we will be.. and so on..

    I think that is how multipul morphs can show up in one snake.

    those that know the truth feel free to correct me..

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    Re: can someone explain triple gene?

    You've got it. There are many many different genes. Most ball python mutations are probably different genes (maybe we'll find some more allele groups like the lesser complex, the yellow belly complex, and the fire complex but most others are probably different genes). The morphs are just mutations of appearance effecting genes that we have found so far. Maybe we have several dozen different genes found so far. In each case we have found at least one mutant version of each of those genes and there is also a "normal" version of each of those genes (so it's not like there is one "normal" gene, there are many wild type genes and possibly even different versions of some genes that are all considered wild type). In theory you could have a ball python that is het for 10 or 20 or more mutations at the same time (i.e. albino, VIP axanthic, Jolliff axanthic, TSK axanthic, clown, hypo, piebald, stripe, Crider, tri-stripe, caramel, G1 hypo, VPI black axanthic, lavender albino, desert ghost, candy, that's all the recessive I can think of right now but you get the picture and then there are the co-dominant mutations and even the first dominant mutation pinstripe). Maybe some combinations would be fatal and surely you wouldn’t live long enough to combine them all anyway or be able to identify ever possible combo if you could but baring close linking on the same chromosome or some of those being alleles you could in theory make a 16 het pair carrying a single copy of all of the above.

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    Re: can someone explain triple gene?

    okay so my initial two gene assumption and understanding was simply a dumb down version of it.

    the albino for example needs two genes to produce the albino. but it may have those two along with the two pie genes.. or say the single spider gene. so forth?

    I understand. guess I just took my original learnings as to literal. But htis makes sense.

    So in theory If I breed my Mojave to my fire and get a mojarvefire and breed that to a spider I could end up with a cool morph.

    I just need to figure out how the percentages work now. lol

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