My First Project... a little understanding.

[PaseQB]

The longest odds are if you don't try! Some are so worried about the chance of failure they don't give themselves the possibility to succeed.

Yea I figure I may wind up with some albino's or pieds that I can trade and maybe slowly work my way to that albino pied... Even If I don't in the long run somthing good can still come out of it if nothing else but being able to own two of my favorite morph.

[aff19802]

Was trying to read all the post but I am on my iPhone gets hard to read after while so I'll check back later but hears my peice...

I read double het males are easy to come b. And agree but imma just go off you plans...

If u do decide to get all three at the same time get the albino as a female so u have less time to wait growing up ur pied hoping it's a male. Plus people will be willing to trade a female hatcheling for a male maybe a year older. With that u could be producing ur double gets the next year keep 1 male and atleast 2 females but the more females the better ur chances then u'll be waiting for ur females to be up to weight the male won't take but 2 years... Then it's 1/16 pray to the odd gods. Let's call it a 6 year project minus how many years ur het piers have on them an ur luck with the odds.

[PaseQB]

Was trying to read all the post but I am on my iPhone gets hard to read after while so I'll check back later but hears my peice...

I read double het males are easy to come b. And agree but imma just go off you plans...

If u do decide to get all three at the same time get the albino as a female so u have less time to wait growing up ur pied hoping it's a male. Plus people will be willing to trade a female hatcheling for a male maybe a year older. With that u could be producing ur double gets the next year keep 1 male and atleast 2 females but the more females the better ur chances then u'll be waiting for ur females to be up to weight the male won't take but 2 years... Then it's 1/16 pray to the odd gods. Let's call it a 6 year project minus how many years ur het piers have on them an ur luck with the odds.

I thought that deciding what kind of project I wanted to do was going to be the hard part but actually figuring out my initial purchases is driving me crazy. I'm going to see what a double het will cost me but I'm pretty sure my wallet is going to be the deciding factor... I had guessed I was looking @ about five years on the optomistic side of things.

[TheOtherLeadingBrand]

What would you (collective you) do in my shoes?

I have a male 100% double het albino pied who could breed fairly soon. I have an adult breeder male pied and an adult breeder male albino. I have an adult het albino female, and I have an 08 pied female and an 08 het pied female. What would the quickest way for me to get albino pieds?

I know I should buy a double het female, but I can't find one available, spare one $5000 proven female, and that's too much!

[mainbutter]

another thought would be to look for a double het and then get a visual pied or albino so you can make something visual on your first pairing.

guess its all about how much you want to spend, the easist way would be to buy a 1.1 albino pied and then their offspring would be 100% albino pieds :-)

This is what I would do.

[rjk890]

If I were you, I would purchase a 1. Pied and a .1 Albino.

You can get an 08' 1. Pied for $1200.-$2k. and an 07' .1 Albino for $800.-$1200. and breed them together. Hold back all of your females for the next two seasons.

By that time you will probably be able to purchase an unrelated 1. Albino Pied for a reasonable price.

Breed him to all of the DH Albino/Pieds that you held back and you have yourself an Albino Pied project.

[PaseQB]

If I were you, I would purchase a 1. Pied and a .1 Albino.

You can get an 08' 1. Pied for $1200.-$2k. and an 07' .1 Albino for $800.-$1200. and breed them together. Hold back all of your females for the next two seasons.

By that time you will probably be able to purchase an unrelated 1. Albino Pied for a reasonable price.

Breed him to all of the DH Albino/Pieds that you held back and you have yourself an Albino Pied project.

Well, of course I'd like the Albino pied sooner than later but at the same time I'm not expecting "Instant Albino Pied". Most of the Pieds I've liked have been over 1200 and right now I don't have two plus thousand to kick out to get started. I think if I'm lucky I can work out on visual (albino) and some variety of het this summer but this is going to be a kinda "build as I go" project.

[OhhWatALoser]

Well, of course I'd like the Albino pied sooner than later but at the same time I'm not expecting "Instant Albino Pied". Most of the Pieds I've liked have been over 1200 and right now I don't have two plus thousand to kick out to get started. I think if I'm lucky I can work out on visual (albino) and some variety of het this summer but this is going to be a kinda "build as I go" project.

in the classifieds right now someone has 4 DH males for 150 each just so you know.

tho i still think it be better to have the double het be a female so you can breed back her offspring and see if they prove out.

tho it might not be a bad idea to have a DH male. so many ways to go about this, guess it just depends what you get. mayb just get a DH male and as many DH females as you can afford? i donno what would be the most cost effective way vs chance of producing them.

[RandyRemington]

What would you (collective you) do in my shoes?

I have a male 100% double het albino pied who could breed fairly soon. I have an adult breeder male pied and an adult breeder male albino. I have an adult het albino female, and I have an 08 pied female and an 08 het pied female. What would the quickest way for me to get albino pieds?

I know I should buy a double het female, but I can't find one available, spare one $5000 proven female, and that's too much!

I'd breed the double het male to the het albino female next year and hold back any albino possible het pied females and any possible double hets with the pied belly marker. Then as soon as possible breed the double het male (or maybe pick up an unrelated one for $150) to the het pied girl (and/or the pied if she grows as quick). If you get a male pied possible het albino then you have to decide if you want to use him against the possible double het (or hopefully albino possible het pied) girls out of your adult het albino girl or if you want to go with the more sure double het male. The advantage of using a pied possible het albino male would be the chance to cut the odds as low as 1 in 4 on albino pied best case and also worst case everything you produce after all that is double het. But using the double het male at least you know your male wouldn't be preventing any chance of albino pied. Absolute best case at least 2012 and of course more likely longer, maybe much longer.

[aff19802]

here is a double het selling now...

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=96578