Good "companions" for a burm?

[wilomn]

Once they are 40 feet plus you can add some extra animals to the tank.

40 feet huh?

Reading some TFH manuals there, are ya?

Oh wait, you only pass on facts, that's right. I forgot since you seem to be doing the same thing in that other thread I'm trolling in.

So, 40 foot cannabalistic burms huh?

Very cool stuff. Very cool.

[orphan]

Once they are 40 feet plus you can add some extra animals to the tank.

hahahaha ok, so... what? That'll be about two weeks in? lol


No, I'm serious. I just want to add some extra interest to the tank. Looks like I'll be the brave soul to try it out. I'm thinking a couple of tree frogs in there and just see what happens. If they live...great. If they disappear and the snake has a couple of lumps in it's belly...lesson learned.

[Blizzarddude]

Good question, my the-earth-is-flat believing pimple, er pal.

I do care.

I suspect from you post that you have no knowledge of any cannabalism either but that you too have been passing around this rumor as fact.

If I'm wrong, let me know. It won't be the first time. I simply do not know myself, and I've produced several hundred which were often housed together in small groups, know many people who have produced many many burms, and cannot think of a single instance of cannabalism that was not directly caused by feeding and being returned to a group still smelling of prey.

So, when you're done whizzing in your wheaties, either fess up that you have no proof, or show me that I'm wrong.

I'm good either way.

Do you really care or are you just trolling again?
I can hear it now, "Jesus, the troll's back out from under the bridge again!"
Why do you post only to antagonize? Ever heard of Google?

What does this have to do with my knowledge? The only thing I'm seeing here is a bully, one who likes to feel better than others, who has a know it all attitude and probably does so to make up for his real life, or lack thereof.
Do you know why most people don't reply to you?
They have you on ignore. You should go away, take your animosity to a site where other dips run rampant and give each other e-wedgies all day.

[Beardedragon]

40 feet huh?

Reading some TFH manuals there, are ya?

Oh wait, you only pass on facts, that's right. I forgot since you seem to be doing the same thing in that other thread I'm trolling in.

So, 40 foot cannabalistic burms huh?

Very cool stuff. Very cool.

Wait... are you saying that burms dont get get to 40 feet? Oh...I guess you cant put them with frogs at all then...

hahahaha ok, so... what? That'll be about two weeks in? lol


No, I'm serious. I just want to add some extra interest to the tank. Looks like I'll be the brave soul to try it out. I'm thinking a couple of tree frogs in there and just see what happens. If they live...great. If they disappear and the snake has a couple of lumps in it's belly...lesson learned.

You CANNOT put a burm with frogs, plain and simple. Its not about them just disappearing, it sounds like you just want to put two cool animals together. Think of the snake and its health. Plus the frogs health for the matter, they have way different housing requirements.

[wilomn]

Wait... are you saying that burms dont get get to 40 feet? Oh...I guess you cant put them with frogs at all then...



You CANNOT put a burm with frogs, plain and simple. Its not about them just disappearing, it sounds like you just want to put two cool animals together. Think of the snake and its health. Plus the frogs health for the matter, they have way different housing requirements.

So now there are no frogs in Asia?

My goodness, I am truly surprised. Everything I've ever read or seen stated that there were certainly frogs there. I even know people personally who have said that they themselves had seen frogs in Asia.

I guess you just can't trust anyone.

OP, your frogs may or may not survive. The snake may or may not eat them. Frogs aren't the best diet for burms and there is a chance of some transfer of organisms that would negatively affect your snake.

Plus, a lot of treefrogs are nocturnal. You'll never see them. It sounds really easy, and it is, but the effect you're looking for may be missing.

If it's activity you want in there, fill it with frogs and geckos.

[blackcrystal22]

Does anyone know of a single instance of burmese python cannibalism that was not directly related to food scented snake being put in with other burms and then being eaten?

There was a personal incident of mine. I haven't heard any official reports or anything of the such.
My incident involved an animal expo and finding a cage with a young very lumpy and non-moving burmese python. There were two burm labels on the cage, and one snake. When asking the seller, they said the other was sold. I decided not to press the issue.

That is the only thing I have encountered with burms and cannibalism, as I don't know too much about them. You are the expert on these guys Wes, so I'm definitely not saying your wrong. That was just my small input from my (very little) personal experience.

Could poison dart frogs pose potential issues to the burm if ingested though? I thought I remember reading that they lose most of their poisonous secretions because of what they eat in captivity. Just wondering.
Edit: Noticed Wes's post. So, that answers my question.

[Beardedragon]

So now there are no frogs in Asia?

My goodness, I am truly surprised. Everything I've ever read or seen stated that there were certainly frogs there. I even know people personally who have said that they themselves had seen frogs in Asia.

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Oh yes there are frogs in asia, I do not recall saying there wasn't?

Not that treefrogs that I see around here in petshops come from asia, Costa Rica in Central America maybe.... Green eyed tree frogs need 80-99% humidity, im not sure if burms need that much... But again you know alot more about burms than I do so if you say they can be housed together I would take your word for it.

[wilomn]

There was a personal incident of mine. I haven't heard any official reports or anything of the such.
My incident involved an animal expo and finding a cage with a young very lumpy and non-moving burmese python. There were two burm labels on the cage, and one snake. When asking the seller, they said the other was sold. I decided not to press the issue.

That is the only thing I have encountered with burms and cannibalism, as I don't know too much about them. You are the expert on these guys Wes, so I'm definitely not saying your wrong. That was just my small input from my (very little) personal experience.

Could poison dart frogs pose potential issues to the burm if ingested though? I thought I remember reading that they lose most of their poisonous secretions because of what they eat in captivity. Just wondering.
Edit: Noticed Wes's post. So, that answers my question.

I do have a fair amount of experience but am not an expert. An incident such as you saw was far outside the norm. Comparing a show environment and all the stress involved does not have much in common with home care.

I don't doubt that you saw an instance of cannabalism. I also have no doubt that we don't know why it happened. At most shows I go to they sell feeders. Who knows what smells may have been transferred to one of those snakes by a prospective purchaser?

I really was serious though. I don't know a single instance, well until now, that was not food induced.

[orphan]

So now there are no frogs in Asia?

My goodness, I am truly surprised. Everything I've ever read or seen stated that there were certainly frogs there. I even know people personally who have said that they themselves had seen frogs in Asia.

I guess you just can't trust anyone.

OP, your frogs may or may not survive. The snake may or may not eat them. Frogs aren't the best diet for burms and there is a chance of some transfer of organisms that would negatively affect your snake.

Plus, a lot of treefrogs are nocturnal. You'll never see them. It sounds really easy, and it is, but the effect you're looking for may be missing.

If it's activity you want in there, fill it with frogs and geckos.

Thank you for your well informed and understanding post. That's the kind of response I was looking for. Although it doesn't answer my question completely, it does reinforce my thought that snakes encounter non-prey items in the wild.

What I'm looking for in my enclosure is an interesting collaboration of plants and animals like a vivarium. If some are nocturnal and others are diurnal then so be it. It will make the enclosure that much better in my opinion. I would just like to know that if the snake chose to turn on it's "cage-mates", would it hurt the snake? I'm not planning on getting poison dart frogs or anything, just some brightly colored tree frogs that could hold their own.

[wilomn]

Oh yes there are frogs in asia, I do not recall saying there wasn't?

Not that treefrogs that I see around here in petshops come from asia, Costa Rica in Central America maybe.... Green eyed tree frogs need 80-99% humidity, im not sure if burms need that much... But again you know alot more about burms than I do so if you say they can be housed together I would take your word for it.

Ok.... so now there ARE frogs in Asia again. Phew.

Now, bear with me here. If there are indeed frogs, as you have now assured us that there are, and there are burmese pythons, and both of them are living in the same part of Asia, would not then the cohabitation of them not only be possible, but in fact, already occurring? And if in fact it is already occurring, does this not prove that it can indeed, should one wish to, be duplicated in captivity?

You have ASSumed that frogs of an innappropriate environmental compatibility would be purchased from "pet stores."

Just because that is what you would do, does not mean the OP would. Maybe he knows a breeder. Maybe he knows an importer. Maybe he'd go to shows until he found just what he needed.

Do you see where I'm going with you and your "facts" that are about as factual as your love for me is undying?