Big snakes, small enclosures.

[wilomn]

Of all the care sheets and posts I have seen from various forums while I use to read up on monitors, I can honestly say I have never seen one single person suggest moving a dangerous 6' Nile to a different enclosure for feeding.

May I ask who these experienced keepers are?

How many people have written care sheets who have actual experience with a "dangerous" 6' nile?

[AjBalls]

How many people have written care sheets who have actual experience with a "dangerous" 6' nile?

Off the top of my head I can think of two that are pretty good. Seen a couple that weren't so great. And some that look like a two year old was fooling around. But even so, none EVER mentioned moving to a separate enclosure for feeding.

Any need to put quotes around dangerous? You don't think they are?

[Nate]

When did he state this? I would like to know.

He doesn't have to say it...noone does, and noone will suggest you do it. It's choice.

I'm not going to SUGGEST that someone go jump off a bridge because they'll come back to me and say "you owe me thousands of dollars in medical bills for suggesting I do such a thing! how dare you!"

If I want to jump off a bridge, then stay outa my business. I know it's risky and stupid, but what I do to me is on me.

[wilomn]

Off the top of my head I can think of two that are pretty good. Seen a couple that weren't so great. And some that look like a two year old was fooling around. But even so, none EVER mentioned moving to a separate enclosure for feeding.

Any need to put quotes around dangerous? You don't think they are?

So....2 that are "pretty" good. Not really good, not great, just pretty good which implies that they aren't as good as they could or should be.

I do not think a 6 foot nile is dangerous to someone who knows monitors.

Of course, we may have slightly differing opinions on what dangerous actually means.

You seem pretty set on what you've learned is not only the only way but anyone else is just wrong.

Have fun with that.

[AjBalls]

Well I think he would have to state it. After seeing the water bowl in the cage I wondered if that cage was really for feeding purposes or not. Well as I found out by the other members video, it was not just for feeding purposes but a temporary home.

I wonder the same with the Savannah monitor(s) it showed in the same episode. Whether those tubs are used strictly for feeding or if they are used as their permanent/temporary homes. Now I'm not going to try to assume that out of my respect for Brian, but I can't help but think otherwise.

[AjBalls]

So....2 that are "pretty" good. Not really good, not great, just pretty good which implies that they aren't as good as they could or should be.

I do not think a 6 foot nile is dangerous to someone who knows monitors.

Of course, we may have slightly differing opinions on what dangerous actually means.

You seem pretty set on what you've learned is not only the only way but anyone else is just wrong.

Have fun with that.

Well I would like to know your opinion on the word dangerous. Being able to rip a finger off isn't dangerous at all? When is an animal deemed "dangerous" to you?

Oh no, I am perfectly capable of admitting when I am wrong.

[mumps]

Well I would like to know your opinion on the word dangerous. Being able to rip a finger off isn't dangerous at all? When is an animal deemed "dangerous" to you?

Oh no, I am perfectly capable of admitting when I am wrong.

"Being able to" and actually doing are two very different things.

I had a Nile I raised from a hatchling to a 16 year old calm, trusting animal. I didn't move it to another enclosure for feeding, but I could open the door, let it roam the basement and feed it by hand. Sure, he was "able to" remove a finger if he wanted to, but he never did.

Chris

[Denial]

Aj does have a point. I mean he has proof on the videos. Brian has said in one it was a feeding enclosure but in another a temporary home so which is it? How long does it take to construct a 10 foot cage? That nile can barely raise its head in that tub. That my friend is just WRONG. I would let the lizard free roam before I stuffed it in a tub like that. Monitors are not snakes they are VERY active and should never be housed in something like that I dont care if its temporary or not. You could take 30 minutes out of your day and throw some wood together for an 8 foot "temporary enclsosure" where the lizard can at least raise its head up. Niles need a basking area of 120 degrees how is that possible in a commerical rack system? There is no commerical rack system or commerical cage anywhere that is fit for a full grown water,nile, blackthroat, croc any of them. You can easily go to a monitor forum and see some people that truely care about there monitors and see how much space they provide to them. I have a buddy on another forum that has turned his basement into 3 HUGE enclosures. Filled with dirt any everything his niles can swim, bask, and dig just like they were meant to do. They also dont have a problem rasing there heads up

[mumps]

I know the guy you're talking about. And his enclosures are PERFECT.

Chris

[wilomn]

I know what let's do, let's go burn down Brians business. Maybe we could crucify him too, that would be cool huh? I mean, it's not like the guy has what, FOUR or FIVE thousand snakes to take care of. It's not like he's got any employees to oversee. He could surely take time to go get some 2 X 4s and plywood to build a box big enough to let that nile raise its head, even if it wasnt' heated properly and didn't have a pool, or a screen top, or any lighting, but hey, he could lift his head and that's what's important.

Maybe we could beat up his helpers for letting that monitor be put in that tub to begin with. Yeah, it was probably them what done it anyway, don't you think? And we, LOL, shouldn't let THEM get away with that. It's just not right.

So what if a state of the art enclosure with a pool and a 130 degree basking spot and substrate deep enough to burrow in and space enough for a small herd of Niles to live in is being built while that poor poor lizard suffers in agony, not able to lift his head like that. Who cares? The new cage should have been built FIRST. How dare Brian think only of himself and what's easiest for him.

We should probably pelt him most thoroughly with rotted fruit before we crucify him. I mean, certain things should just be kept secret. You just don't go showing things that aren't perfect, it's just not cool. Why, if he had only given some thought to the relative intelligence of some folks I bet he never would have been honest enough to show a temporary set up for a lizard that HAD OUTGROWN (read as had since it WAS small enough for the previous enclosure) it's old home. What a buffoon Brian is.

In fact, we should probably boycott BHB entirely. I mean, that is the only way to truly show the disdain and contempt I've seen expressed here. Yup, that's what should be done. Rotten fruit, crucifixion, boycott. That'll show him.

Oh wait, we could burn his place down too. I'll bring marshmallows and some of you bring graham crackers and chocolate. We can make sommores, won't that be fun. We can eat them by the light of the fire while we let Brian know what he did was just too wrong to tolerate.

How DARE he make improvements without having a better plan than just doing them.

Why, I'm just flabbergasted.

Now, where is that lighter fluid.....