Half ball python Half blood python

[2kdime]

Connie, isn't the cross with a Regius and a Breitensteini? And not Curtus? I have seen the Curtus cross, but I thought the first ones were with the Breit's.

[littleindiangirl]

I was sure Roussis' site said p. curtus for the superball. I guess I'd have to go check back.

Your right, it was a marble Breit. I was lingering on when he said breeding it back to the Curtus or Regius, he must have been using the old labelling of 'p. curtus breitensteini'.

[sg1trogdor]

Not trying to argue just pointing out that some one "playing god" made the bumble bee and many other of our most prized morphs.


I don't want to argue just pointing out the obvious.

By the way I would really like to get a blood and do some hybridizing...

I just need to learn more of the genetics!

Mike

Yeah but those aren't really hybrids they are the same species of snake just with genetic mutations affecting appearance. The people on here are against true hybridization meaning the superball for example half blood python Python curtus breitensteini and the ball python python regius. But i never hear any complaints about the creamsicle corn which is actually a corn and rat snake if i remember correctly. Now I Can care less either way on this subject but thought I Would point that out.

[Ben Biscy]

imo, hybridization is the TRUE power of man's idea of selective breeding toward a predetermined goal. true breeding and inbreeding create stagnated breeds (look at some of the dog breeds, or better yet, the spider "spin" syndrome). to ensure vigor and health/resistance/resiliance, one must introduce new genes.

i'm not saying the bp should be replaced, but i am saying a new "breed" can be created because man decided to make his version of the perfect snake (kinda like how dog breeds are created...).

[m00kfu]

imo, hybridization is the TRUE power of man's idea of selective breeding toward a predetermined goal. true breeding and inbreeding create stagnated breeds (look at some of the dog breeds, or better yet, the spider "spin" syndrome). to ensure vigor and health/resistance/resiliance, one must introduce new genes.

i'm not saying the bp should be replaced, but i am saying a new "breed" can be created because man decided to make his version of the perfect snake (kinda like how dog breeds are created...).

Two problems with your argument.

First off, the original spider came from the wild with the wobbling that you see in some of them. So there goes that argument.

Secondly, dog breeds are still the same species. They weren't created by breeding a dog and say, a fox. As far as I know, they were line bred to create the different breeds.

Breeding a ball python with a blood does NOT create a new "breed", it creates a mutt, plain and simple.

[waltah!]

Two problems with your argument.

First off, the original spider came from the wild with the wobbling that you see in some of them. So there goes that argument.

Secondly, dog breeds are still the same species. They weren't created by breeding a dog and say, a fox. As far as I know, they were line bred to create the different breeds.

Breeding a ball python with a blood does NOT create a new "breed", it creates a mutt, plain and simple.

But it's a cool looking mutt. IMO

[littleindiangirl]

imo, hybridization is the TRUE power of man's idea of selective breeding toward a predetermined goal. true breeding and inbreeding create stagnated breeds (look at some of the dog breeds, or better yet, the spider "spin" syndrome). to ensure vigor and health/resistance/resiliance, one must introduce new genes.

i'm not saying the bp should be replaced, but i am saying a new "breed" can be created because man decided to make his version of the perfect snake (kinda like how dog breeds are created...).

Your comment invariably goes against everything that natural selection embodies.

What you are referring to is not correct in your description. Yes, inbreeding can cause weakness, this is why we "refresh" blood lines, with the same species.

I do not believe humans can "choose" any better than nature itself, and nature chooses survival of the strongest gene's by several different methods.

If constant hybridizing of species was the best route overall, don't you think that nature would often be crossing species, in the shortest amount of time, to constantly stir the "gene pool"?

If crossing species to make hybrids was the best method hands down, nature would already be hybridizing EVERYTHING constantly (do not confuse hybridizing with simple adaptive evolution). This is simply not the case. There are several ways that nature provides circumstances that ensure survival of individual species, and furthering the mating of two animals from within the same species.

I would recommend taking a biology class and learning about all the ways adaptive evolution and natural selection work.

[Jason Bowden]

Never heard of the spider "spin " syndrome. Forever learning. Sounds like every one likes hybrids to me. I figured the Mongrel would shake things up a bit. I think the hybrids are for that special someone. I like them, but like many others will not be getting any. I like balls and bloods and don't care to meet in the middle.

[harm286]

I've seen em in person and held it, not a fan.

I don't like hybridization either, so maybe my opinion is biased.

You ever take your snake to the vet?

i didn't everybody say's it will come off ... so far he shows no signs of it hurting him so yah .... but he hasnt shed which is what im waiting for ... almost a month

[harm286]

the pictures are f'n kool man thanks