Clyde feeding

[BanditNClyde]

Thank you.
And BanditNClyde, it is very mature of you to handle all this without fighting back.

why thank you. i figure whats the point of arguing when its not gonna get you anywhere. everyone has their own opinions some you may like others you may not but all you can do is take it with a grain of salt and move onl.

[demonicchild]

why thank you. i figure whats the point of arguing when its not gonna get you anywhere. everyone has their own opinions some you may like others you may not but all you can do is take it with a grain of salt and move onl.

That's a great attitude.

[BanditNClyde]

That's a great attitude.

why thank you!

[Bruce Whitehead]

One thing you can do, is if you go get a situation where your snake is in a potentially dangerous position, is to bring the tub to him. Just raise something up under him so he does not fall.

I have some hatchlings that have such strong feed responses they are out of the tub as soon as I crack it. Which leaves them dangling and constricting. But they are a nice knot of muscles and they tend to be wedged onto the side of the tub quite firmly.

I try and untangle them and support the body so it does not fall (from the tail up is the best way to get a snake to loosen its grip) and place them back in the tub gently.

And if that does not work, I just place the tub on the floor till they relax on their own then I gently schooch them back in.

Bruce

[BanditNClyde]

One thing you can do, is if you go get a situation where your snake is in a potentially dangerous position, is to bring the tub to him. Just raise something up under him so he does not fall.

I have some hatchlings that have such strong feed responses they are out of the tub as soon as I crack it. Which leaves them dangling and constricting. But they are a nice knot of muscles and they tend to be wedged onto the side of the tub quite firmly.

I try and untangle them and support the body so it does not fall (from the tail up is the best way to get a snake to loosen its grip) and place them back in the tub gently.

And if that does not work, I just place the tub on the floor till they relax on their own then I gently schooch them back in.

Bruce

thanks for the advice. hopefully that never happen again but if it does then ill do that

[Bruce Whitehead]

thanks for the advice. hopefully that never happen again but if it does then ill do that

It is a learning curve. We all started with one snake at one time...

[BanditNClyde]

you are very right. thanks for being so kind

[Slim]

I've had some of my snakes come right out of the tub and strike & coil...half their body dangling out while they're constricting.... he's not gonna fall...he has a pretty damn good grip from what I can feel.

...Lets not make a mountain mmk?

I agree with this 100%. I'm afraid some of these sorts of threads are starting to make BP.net look like any other forum out there....with a bunch of cliquish know-it-alls who beat people over the head with their superior knowledge and experience....rather than trying to be a little nice and actually HELPING someone.

A simple post of "There are risks involved in feeding that way...here's what could happen" will get the point across VERY well without making the member put up defensive walls that keep them from learning anything.

No one here is "better" than anyone else...I don't care how much experience or knowledge you have. We've ALL made mistakes and we were ALL new at this at some point or another and we're ALL still learning. At least, those with an ounce of wisdom in their brains are still learning and growing. Those who think they know all they need to know and will never make a mistake in animal husbandry...well, I just hope when the day comes you need a bit of compassionate schooling, you get it.

Judy, Nate, Members of BP.net,

I step out on a limb to post this, but I will endevor to be respectfull of the staff and members.

I know I have a reputation for being somewhat harsh when I see something I personally do not agree with on this forum. If anyone has been agrieved, I appologize. But, this is not a case of arguing over feeding in or out of an enclosure. It is not a case of arguing over if the cool side should be 78 degrees or 82 degrees.

This is a case of what I concider borderline animal mistreatment. I'll admit that I have no way of predicting if her BP will fall in the future, just as I have no way of predicting any injuries that might result from that fall, but I do know that it's not worth the risk. Risk management is about making informed choices. I have no way of knowing if the OP knows the risks involved in letting her BP hang off things, especially while feeding, so I asked the questions I asked to provoke thought on her part. I would like to point out that the OP has a history of letting people here know "I'll take care of my BP my way, and you can take care of yours your way". Not exactly an accommodating attitude. I shot a strong wake up call her direction, mindfull of her inability to accept a simple post of "There are risks involved...here's what could happen".

I only know one way to point out wrong. Painting it with any other brush risks misunderstanding. Choices are debateable, wrong is not.

I do not want to see BP.net become a place where the wolves run in a pack, if you know what I mean, but I also don't want to let possibly injurious practices slide without strong admonishment. For as long as I am allowed the privilege of being a member of this Forum and community, my interest will always lie more with the well being of the snakes, than the wants of the keepers.

Thank you all for your time.

Tom

[DutchHerp]

Slim, I agree with you. To me this wasn't a matter of bashing on the OP or telling her she's just doing it wrong. Fact of the matter is, these snakes are NOT arboreal and when given the choice, they will not feed dangling from a bar.

I know all of you have seen a BPs tail: they're extremely short. Arboreal snakes have much longer, and MUCH stronger tails. They are just not made to feed in this manner.

I didn't mean to offend anyone either. Just pointing out that, in my opinion, this feeding method is just plain *wrong*.

Thanks,

[zhang317]

Hey guys, I'm with Slim on this one. It is borderline animal mistreatment.

Heres where I think the OP went wrong:

1. Its okay to feed outside of the cage. But it is best if its done in a container, with a hide or some sense of security. Computer desk is pretty far from ideal.

2. Ball Pythons are ground dwelling animals. Just because they can hang, does not mean its good for them or that they should. There is little or no truth to say that they "love climbing all over things."

3. It could not have been "what seems to be the best thing to do at the time" to feed it. Even if it was extremely hungry, waiting 10 minutes for it to come out of the dangle would have been okay. It was most likely hanging on so tight because it was scared of falling.