Caramel Female on Eggs??? Photo???

[Bill Buchman]

There has been a bit of buzz of late on whether anyone has SEEN a PHOTO of a Caramel girl SITTING on a VIABLE clutch of eggs?

Having a few Caramel projects in the works, this question becomes important to me for future breeding.

At first glance, the Caramel on eggs seems like an "Of course there have been!!" question. I can't remember seeing a picture of one on any eggs. Many folks on this forum have been around far longer than I.

Any takers to put this (urban myth -- I HOPE!!! ) to rest?

[Spaniard]

I can't remember ever seeing a picture but what is this buzz about? There have been caramel combos produced and I see ads for hatchlings all the time...

[coldbloodaddict]

I bred a male Pin to a female Caramel last year...2 good eggs and 4 slugs...Don't have a pic of her on the eggs...I was to pissed when I saw the slugs to take any!

[Bill Buchman]

I can't remember ever seeing a picture but what is this buzz about? There have been caramel combos produced and I see ads for hatchlings all the time...

The concern is that ALL the Caramel combos may have been from Het x Het breedings.

[Spaniard]

I see what you're saying...I hope that isn't the case though. Good luck Bill.

[Bill Buchman]

Based on a PM I received today, I feel the need to clarify my post.


A friend of mine and I were talking about 4 months back about my Caramel projects and what I might hold back this season. He mentioned that he can't remember seeing a Caramel girl on eggs or one producing eggs that hatched. That was news to me. Got me thinking though.

I am not breeding any Caramel females this season, but have a very good chance to produce some -- and a couple different visual combos. Are there considerations BEYOND the usual ones as to whether it would be wise hold back a girl for future breeding???

He, and I, are NOT saying/inferring they don't produce like any of the other recessive morphs. But I would feel MUCH better about MY projects if I were to see MULTIPLE photo and CREDIBLE reports of Caramel girls producing eggs/clutches from Codom visual and VISUAL females.

Caramels have been around going on 10 years. There must be MORE than one Caramel female produce eggs I would think????

I will add that with my calculations, it is possible to make any of the Caramel combos and Doubles without a visual Caramel female -- I could be mistaken.

I am not trying to start trouble -- but IF there is there is some genetic SECRET being hidden -- it would certainly not be the first. I am working with three lines of Caramels, and therefore am not someone trying to cast a negative shadow on a morph I am/have no intention of working with in the future.

[kc261]

Has anyone checked Ralph Davis's clutch records yet? Seems like that would be a likely place to find the info you are looking for.

I decided to take a few minutes to see if I could find one quickly. I thought I had it when I came to '08 clutch #61, described as "From breeding a Piebald male to a Caramel Albino female."
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi...thons_7_08.asp

Now here is where the spooky music starts playing... I clicked on the "pic of mom on her eggs" link... and saw a pic of a pied!

And, just to add to the mystery, all eggs in the clutch reportedly went bad.

So I'll leave it up to all of you to decide if Ralph made a typo, linked to the wrong pic, or if this is part of some big conspiracy.

BTW, if anyone else wants to dig through more of Ralph's clutch records, I did all of '08, but nothing more than that.

[Beardedragon]

Type in * caramel eggs* into the search bar on the forum, I found a few pictures of caramels on eggs right there.

[Bill Buchman]

Type in * caramel eggs* into the search bar on the forum, I found a few pictures of caramels on eggs right there.

Tried both thread and gallery search. No Caramels on eggs that I could find.

I did find a few threads about slugs and infertile eggs though.

[FIREball]

I found on Ralph Davis clutch records a Male Pied bred to a Caramel Female. I went to click on the link to Mom on Eggs and it was a female pied on eggs bred from a Caramel male.