Big snakes, small enclosures.

[jp-reptiles]

i am sure that franykeno and dsirkle did see that too small enclosures but protecting him cause the want to kiss his butt and because they like him i think, their are 100 pics and movies online to prove that brian keeps alot of his giants in too small enclosures...........

regards ''jp''

[Freakie_frog]

I have no experiance to say one way or the other..How ever I will pose this to anyone that feels this way..I'm not saying either side is right or wrong. But to say "I think" is different than saying "in my 25 years experience keeping 80 of these animals, and selling them on the open market. I have seen....."

What are your experiences keeping these animals and selling them on the open market.

How many years do you have keeping the animals in question?
Over the course of that time period how many different housing options have your tried?
What is the longest you've kept your breeding group and how many clutches have you produced?

Again I'm not taking sides but I'd like to hear that the people bringing this concern forward have as much or more years, experience keeping, breeding and careing for these animals as Brian..

[dr del]

Hi,

i am sure that franykeno and dsirkle did see that too small enclosures but protecting him cause the want to kiss his butt and because they like him i think, their are 100 pics and movies online to prove that brian keeps alot of his giants in too small enclosures...........

regards ''jp''

Or it could possibly be for the reasons they stated and they just disagree with you on your conclusions.

Considering they have actually visted the facility of and spoken to the man you accuse of being responsible for "animalcruelty in my eyes........" did it ever occur to you that you might be phrasing your concerns in the wrong manner? That is a fairly serious phrase to be throwing around after all and their first hand knowledge of the state of these and other animals under his care seemed relevant to me.

Have you thought of contacting Brian directly? Since he has stated he is aware of the problem and getting the larger caging maybe he could set your mind at rest.

And, on a personal note, I find your comments on the motivations of two honest and hardworking members of staff despicable and totally uncalled for.


dr del

[jp-reptiles]

i'm working with giants for more then 17 years and tried all kinds of housings their are, and never got the idea that keeping them in very small tubs is the way to do it, maybe ''animalcruelty'' was a little bit overrated, sorry for that, his animals are healthy and breed so animal cruelty is out of the question....
like i said before, i dont doubt the experience of brian or his love for snakes
i just dont like the way he keeps alot of his giants, this has got nothing to do with how much experience you have or how many clutches or breedinggroups you have folks, also excuse for how i reacted on frankykeno and dsirkle, it was to harsh, i was a little bit irritated cause they where saying that no giant had a too small enclosure while there are pics of too small enclosures all over the net.......

regards ''jp''

[Bruce Whitehead]

i am sure that franykeno and dsirkle did see that too small enclosures but protecting him cause the want to kiss his butt and because they like him i think, their are 100 pics and movies online to prove that brian keeps alot of his giants in too small enclosures...........

regards ''jp''

If Brian has stated that the houses are temporary and that he is moving them to larger quarters, then what is your issue?

I have kept animals, in smaller enclosures at various times (for various reasons), but part of that is knowing the animals, and knowing their limitations, as well as the impact in both the long and short term. I trust that Brian knows that and if the housing was not adequate in the short term that he would have arranged for something else.

I know Dale and Jo very well, and know they are conscientious keepers that strive to provide optimal lives for their animals. So your accusation is baseless and trollish. Having been to BHBs facility may have installed a sense of belief in him on their part, and not a desire to *kiss butt* as you so eloquently put it.

Bruce

[stratus_020202]

I think we really need to give Brian a chance to stand up for himself. Has anyone tried to contact him? I sent him a pm, but did anyone else confront him about the enclosures. Or, just to attack him here when he's not paying attention.

Sounds a little like a backstab to me.

[Denial]

Hey freakie frog here is all my information

How many years do you have keeping the animals in question? 5 years
Over the course of that time period how many different housing options have your tried? Ive tried building my own(failure) Ive tried vision reptile cages and animal plastic cages
What is the longest you've kept your breeding group and how many clutches have you produced. I have not produced any clutches. This is hopefully going to be my first year producing some little burmese pythons.


Dont get me wrong. I have nothing against brian he loves his snakes and he makes a living off them breeding. My point was being he was well aware the cages are to small. Arnt they like the 5 and half feet freedom breeders? I dont think fb makes a 6 foot I thought they make 5 and half and 8 feet. But he did say he was getting big cages so I commend him for that but I dont think being able to breed your snakes has anything to do with small cages. They will breed regardless. If you house me in a closest with a naked women I would breed with her thats nature lol. I like brian hes a great guy that does a lot for the industry and my only point was HE knows his cages are to small he said it on the video lol .

I would love to have his rock though that thing is amazing! Cant wait to add a rock to the collection.

If I offended anyone with this post I am sorry. This wasnt meant to offend anyone with anything I have posted.

[Denial]

Im not trying to "backstab" brian. I think thats a little harsh. I dont even know the guy Ive just seen him on the web. But as far as I know he has had these animals for some time and they have always been housed in those enclosures so I doubt anything would be short term. But as I have said I have nothing to say to brian I have no problem with brian he said on camera he was purchasing bigger cages. Even if he doesnt purchase bigger cages its none of my business how he houses his animals. He is a high end breeder. He relys on these animals to pay his bills. He has thousands of animals so naturally there not going to get the biggest cages avaiable. But I just thought backstabing him is a little harsh. You usually have to meet a person a know them to "backstab" them

[littleindiangirl]

JP, I have been there too in the big snake room, and there were no Monitors in racks, and the very few giants he has had we're being properly caged and lovingly cared for.

Have these animals grown? Heck yea they have, such the need for larger caging.

Sounds like you are opening your mouth and spewing a load....

[stratus_020202]

Yes, sorry. That statement was a little harsh. I just think we should get his opinion. It seems wrong when he can't stand up for himself. Sorry D. Got a little carried away with that one.