Are ball pythons a domesticated species?

[Neal]

No, you are simply mis-understanding me. Do people consider them domesticated? Yes.

Cats, Dogs, Horses, Birds, Snakes all came from the wild, and were bred down generations. The reason people say dogs & cats are domesticated is because you can teach them things, that just simply means their smarter then snakes, you can't teach a snake where to poop and not to, as you can a dog or a cat. All of the animals originated in wildlife. If what you're saying applies, then that makes a lot of animals domesticated pets, and they're not. They were simply bred for temperment, just like some people breed snakes, and that goes back to what was said a few posts above, it's all in the eyes of the beholder, the reason I say no to domesticated is because if it comes down to it, it's all survival, you get your own. As long as any animal has that ability to think like that, I will not consider it domesticated.

[littleindiangirl]

No, you are simply mis-understanding me. Do people consider them domesticated? Yes.

Cats, Dogs, Horses, Birds, Snakes all came from the wild, and were bred down generations. The reason people say dogs & cats are domesticated is because you can teach them things, that just simply means their smarter then snakes, you can't teach a snake where to poop and not to, as you can a dog or a cat. All of the animals originated in wildlife.

If what you're saying applies, then that makes a lot of animals domesticated pets, and they're not. They were simply bred for temperment, just like some people breed snakes, and that goes back to what was said a few posts above, it's all in the eyes of the beholder, the reason I say no to domesticated is because if it comes down to it, it's all survival, you get your own. As long as any animal has that ability to think like that, I will not consider it domesticated.

Your ideas for the history and definitions of domestication is extremely flawed at best.

[Bobsean]

If you can put it back into the wild and it continues to live as though you were never in its life then I'd say its pretty wild.

[MarkS]

If you can put it back into the wild and it continues to live as though you were never in its life then I'd say its pretty wild.

So what does that say about feral dogs and cats?

[Bobsean]

"A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to its wild state."?

[mainbutter]

By that definition of feral(which is the only definition of feral), ball pythons could very well be domesticated, but able to thrive in the wild once released because they are capable of going feral.

[mainbutter]

P.S. I'm not arguing that ball pythons are domesticated, I don't consider them to be, but I was just enjoying pointing out flaws in arguments.. lol

[Bobsean]

lol, tu che, I agree. I don't think that this one has a real definitive answer.

[Steve Gorzula]

Chickens are obviously domesticated, but they are the same species as the endangered Indian red jungle fowl. CITES defines "captive bred" specimens of any species as being at least the F2 generation born in captivity. Captive bred individuals are not subject to quotas or other international trade restrictions by CITES.

[MarkS]

So by cities conventions any visible recessive morph would automatically be considered captive bred and not bound by their rules? You would need at least 2 generations of captive bred animals to reproduce a recessive.