False water cobra?

[Patrick Long]

Pat -

Different venoms have different effects - neurotoxic, hemotoxic, cytotoxic, etc.

Allergic reactions to a venom are separate from the specific reactions from the components of the venom.

If you and I get the same bite from a FWC, we may have mild swelling and pain from the venom. If I'm allergic, then perhaps I have wheezing, itchy hives and maybe even worse symptoms.

That has nothing to do with the venom being more potent to me as opposed to you. It just means I have an allergy to a component in it.

So doesnt said allergy, make this venom more potent TO YOU?...in fact it does.


Im done arguing potato poTOTo.


The fact is, if you have a reaction to the venom, you may be in serious trouble. But if your not allergic, like Wes said, some swelling and stiffness will occur.

[Skiploder]

Pat -

Different venoms have different effects - neurotoxic, hemotoxic, cytotoxic, etc.

Allergic reactions to a venom are separate from the specific reactions from the components of the venom.

If you and I get the same bite from a FWC, we may have mild swelling and pain from the venom. If I'm allergic, then perhaps I have wheezing, itchy hives and maybe even worse symptoms.

That has nothing to do with the venom being more potent to me as opposed to you. It just means I have an allergy to a component in it.

So doesnt said allergy, make this venom more potent TO YOU?...in fact it does.

I get it what your saying.

In my opinion no. The actual clinical strength of the venom remains the same. But again, I now get what you were saying. My argument is that the potency or strength is the same - your bother is just more sensitive to it than you are.

If you developed a sensitivity or an allergy to FWC venom due to years of being exposed to envenomations, it doesn't mean that the venom produced by your animals suddenly became stronger - it just means that your body has developed an allergy or sensitivity to it.

[Skiploder]

The fact is, if you have a reaction to the venom, you may be in serious trouble. But if your not allergic, like Wes said, some swelling and stiffness will occur.

Agreed.

Are we having an argument? I thought we were having a discussion............

Spitting in the wind comments aside, I was under the impression that this was fairly cordial - did I miss something?

[mooingtricycle]

Isnt the potency** of venom, also different from different snakes of the same species? * similar in essence, but still variations within*?

I remember learning this somewhere..... KY reptile zoo's videos maybe.... ? I could be mistaken.

** maybe not potency so much as... the components within the venom?

[Patrick Long]

I was under the impression that this was fairly cordial - did I miss something?

mmmmm I LOVE cordial cherries

[Skiploder]

Isnt the potency** of venom, also different from different snakes of the same species? * similar in essence, but still variations within*?

I remember learning this somewhere..... KY reptile zoo's videos maybe.... ? I could be mistaken.

** maybe not potency so much as... the components within the venom?

I don't think your mistaken.

Venom potency can vary by age, gender, diet and locality.

I have the pdf files of Wolfgang Wuster's "The Role of Ecology In Determing Venom Variation in the Malayan Pit Viper", "Geographic Diet Variation of Mojave Rattlesnake (Crotalus scutulatus)" by Salazar and Lieb and "Ontogenetic Variation in Venom Composition and Diet of Crotalus oreganus concolor: A Case of Venom Paedomorphosis?"
where some of these factors are discussed.

[RichardA]

FWC are far more HOT then NA Hogs.

There are people that can get bit by Copperheads and have little to no reaction, however is that a chance you really want to take.......?

[Skiploder]

FWC are far more HOT then NA Hogs.

There are people that can get bit by Copperheads and have little to no reaction, however is that a chance you really want to take.......?

You have a PM..

[RichardA]

got it.....

I would like to point out here, I have kept giant Mad. hogs. These are in the same area of danger to people as a FWC...in my opinion, for size and the decent toxicity of the venom. If you pay attention to what you are doing and do not let them get a good grab at you, you should be fine. There is a guy that got hit by a Mad. hog at a show and was rushed to ER do to the venom and his reaction to it. Rear-fanged are nothing to be taken lightly. People use to say the same thing as whats being said here about Boomslangs, then people died from the bites.

I would rather all be informed going in that there is a risk, be it small or large, to keeping ANY snake, rear-fanged are just in area of their own.

A full grown FWC could pack enough behind the bite to get some fang play in without chewing, keep that in mind as well.

As I stated before, they are really cool snakes and are fun to watch eat.

[RichardA]

mmmmm i love cordial cherries

lol




I also just realized this entire post is in the wrong area.......ROFL