Head wobble...

[mainbutter]

I don't see a problem. Thats the great thing if you don't like that spider wobble buy a pinstripe or a Mojave. But if your willing to enjoy these animals for their differences and want a spider there are breeders ready to put on in your hand.

I love what you said here! I feel exactly the same way, I have no problem with spiders or people who want them, I just don't want them myself, wobbles weird me out just enough to make me choose something else, and that something else is almost definitely a pinstripe, though I have been pondering a woma as well.

[MDB]

I would be ticked if I purchased a spider that has a wobble.

dont buy a spider then, because they all do just to different degrees. When I purchased my spider I was positive he had no wobble. But when I learned that all spiders have wobbles some just worsed than others, I started realizing little things here and there. The untrained eye would not be able to identify. Go with something else.

[rabernet]

I would be ticked if I purchased a spider that has a wobble.

Don't buy a spider then!

edit - didn't see MDB's reply before I wrote mine! LOL

[mykee]

"This is Adam's write-up I'm talking about...
http://forum.8ballpythons.com/blog/?p=5

It says it right there that it is present in "each and every spider, some more noticeable than others". Coming from Adam who has a humongous collection, it has a lot of weight.
"

No offense, I don't care how "extensive" Adam's collection is, until he has seen every spider ever produced, (including mine) the above statement is false.

[MDB]

No offense, I don't care how "extensive" Adam's collection is, until he has seen every spider ever produced, (including mine) the above statement is false.

I dont agree with you, every spider has it if you dont believe me and every other member that has posted this take a pole. And if that doesnt make you a believer contact every big name breeder and they will tell you the same thing

[starmom]

I have not seen evidence of a wobble in the '06 spider that I purchased from Adam last year. If I recall correctly, she was a hold back of his and he had not seen evidence of a wobble either.

THAT SAID, there are environmental factors (stress) that can elicit the wobble response. Maybe my spider isn't stressed Maybe she needs more stress-- wish the darn girl would breed

I know that VPI is now rating the amount of wobble on their spiders so that every customer understands what they are getting. I think that's a good idea; at least it's better than saying nothing

[rabernet]

No offense, I don't care how "extensive" Adam's collection is, until he has seen every spider ever produced, (including mine) the above statement is false.

Adam is not the only breeder to make that statement. Ralph and Kevin both have, that I know of, and multiple other breeders have all stated that they believe that ALL spiders have a degree of wobble to them - from just barely noticeable to full out spinners.

It is becoming more "accepted" knowledge that all spiders have this to some degree. Even VPI is rating theirs.

I personally don't think the wobble is a bad thing - it seems those most offended with statements that all spiders spin are those that seem to be worried the most about some negative stigma associated with them.

The more people acknowledge that it's just part of being a spider, the less "taboo" it will be.

[starmom]

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The more people acknowledge that it's just part of being a spider, the less "taboo" it will be.

Well said. Now I wish we could acknowledge the diversity within the human animals and get rid of all of those 'taboos' also