Symptoms?

[Skiploder]

corns aren't rear fanged or venomous... none of the Elaphe/Pantherophis/Pituophis are from what i've read. even some of the other colubrids that do have a Duvernois gland don't have enlarged rear maxillary teeth.
anyone else like reading scientific papers for fun or am i the only nerd in this thread?

*slinks off to study as well.............

Colin you're right. Fry has stated that with the exception of elaphe, pseudelaphe, pantherophis, pituophis, lampropeltis and their like, all colubrids produce venom.

However, not all of the remaining venom producing colubrid genera are opistoglyphic.

.......and to further what's all ready been stated - pantherophis are neither venomous or rear-fanged.

Reading scientific papers is fun..........reading the forums, however, can be infinitely more entertaining.

[wilomn]

either or

neither nor

Scientific minds know when to use which.

[janeothejungle]

Colin, anytime you want to swap notes or start a geek group, I'm in.

Ditto that, skip. Entertaining to the nth.



~Kat

[Skiploder]

either or

neither nor

Scientific minds know when to use which.

[FloridaHogs]

Back on topic.....listen really close to your hoggie for a clicking sound when he breaths. I have had a few hoggies with RI's that did not get mucus in the mouth, but had the clicking when they breathed. General rule for treating an RI is to boost the heat and get some antibiotics from herp vet. I find injections much easier that oral meds. Just keep a good eye on him, and you may want to move him to papertowels until you are 100% satisfied that he is fine. It makes it much easier to observe bowel movements. Goodluck with him.



As to the bright green poo, what I was told by my vet is that it is a sign of trouble with the kindeys. Dehydrated snakes will often poo the bright green until their kidneys get back on track (if they are not to damaged from the dehydration). Just what I was told.

[wilomn]

Ya know whytepizza, we've all had our rears handed to us. You're nothing new there.

If you're done sulking, unless I've totally missed any posts by you since your last one in this thread in which case please disregard this post, come on back and learn some stuff from some people who care about reptiles and accurate information about them.

Obviously you can learn something here, and I don't mean from me, and there exists the possibility that you may have something to teach. (other than how to delivery a straight line)

Unknot your knickers and get over it. Your place will be taken soon enough and before you know it you'll be an oldtimer.

[Hardwikk]

It's amazing how off-topic threads can get... Hoggers won't bite you unless it's a feeding response (aka not in general). There's no need to discuss it and definately not here! Now, back on topic: Charon is hissing a lot louder than before and he hasn't made any popping noises either. I think he lived through it but I'll check on him anyway. Thanks for your (plural) advice.

[whytepizza]

Now, back on topic: Charon is hissing a lot louder than before and he hasn't made any popping noises either. I think he lived through it but I'll check on him anyway. Thanks for your (plural) advice.

Glad things seem a bit better. Keep us all updated! I know we're all hoping for the best.