I need some moral support here people

[spix14]

well i didnt call anyone anything....BUD...and please name one contradiction i had...i just stated my points, and thats it, i never called any of you selfish...i didnt say you are wrong for keeping snakes, i am just trying to give you another perspective and please stop pmsinG...i am not trying to aruge with you, iwant to have a debate...so relax..if your gonna freak out than dont say anything, i cant keep repeating what i said, just read what i said in the first place, that sums up my point!!!

Oh, wow, sorry about that. I didn't realize I was talking to an immature little kid.

I'm done here.

[tigerlily]

Alright enough everyone... go to your corners, and take a time out please.

This is no longer a debate, but treading the line of bear baiting and name calling. Consider this a general warning, and after this post infractions will be handed out.

[aaramire]

so are you telling me both of your snakes are wild caught ball pythons? cuase if they are not, they wouldnt survive in the wild anyways...and if your so animal concious why dont you open up a zoo...and bring a lot of animals, obviously if u chose snakes you like them

obviously this is a joke, have you ever heard of sarcasm? I really think you are just prolonging this argument because you like reading what you typed. like tigerlilly said, just agree to disagree and let that be the end of it.

[ChrisBowsman]

so are you telling me both of your snakes are wild caught ball pythons? cuase if they are not, they wouldnt survive in the wild anyways...and if your so animal concious why dont you open up a zoo...and bring a lot of animals, obviously if u chose snakes you like them

I was being facetious. I do enjoy keeping snakes very much. For the record, they're both CB.

[Igor]

I'm working on it. I also have a dog and a gold fish.

Let me ask.... why would captive ball pythons not live in the wild? In the wild, they spend the vast majority of their time in a termite mound, exiting to eat and poop. In captivity, they spend the vast majority of their time in a hide box, exiting to eat and poop. Both my snakes eat live mice, which are placed in the tub, not offered with tongs.

They're not like dogs, or some other animal that becomes tamed to the point where it forgets about predators. I've handled them both countless times, never hurt either one, yet if I reach too quickly, or they simply do not feel like being handled, they pull back and ball up.

Aside from the fact that my snakes will live a heck of a lot longer than their wild brethren, I don't think there's really that much difference. And for the record, they're both CB.

well i'll tell you what, if you want to do an experiment...put a gps probe on one of them, release them in their native africa..and watch how long it lasts compared to a wild one, and see what happens

[ChrisBowsman]

well i'll tell you what, if you want to do an experiment...put a gps probe on one of them, release them in their native africa..and watch how long it lasts compared to a wild one, and see what happens

Ok, let me get my GPS probes out and we'll get right to that.

[wolfy-hound]

You already said that ball pythons are not pets, so they should go right back to being wild.
Since lots of pigs, dogs, cats, cows, goats all go back to living in the wild with no issue, I would expect a ball python released into a native habitat to do very well, especially considering it would be(assuming the owner had good husbandry) parasite free, and of good weight when released.
If you find it morally wrong, and you do it anyway, then YOU are wrong.
You take the life of animals by eating meat, by using animal products. Feeding a snake a mouse is just more honest in your consumption of the life. Pretending the McBurger came from a store, rather than was once part of a living animal is morally wrong in my opinion.
I keep my PETS because I love them, and love taking care of them, and enjoy the activity we share, whether it be watching the snake in it's bin, or wrestling with my dog.

[rabernet]

well i didnt call anyone anything....BUD...and please name one contradiction i had...i just stated my points, and thats it, i never called any of you selfish...i didnt say you are wrong for keeping snakes, i am just trying to give you another perspective and please stop pmsinG...i am not trying to aruge with you, iwant to have a debate...so relax..if your gonna freak out than dont say anything, i cant keep repeating what i said, just read what i said in the first place, that sums up my point!!!

Igor, the only one that I see freaking out here is you.

This is a warning - you say you want a civil debate. Then you need to be civil as well. Comments like asking someone to stop PMSing, or calling people names will earn you an infraction.

Now calm down and have fun debating CIVILLY.

[Igor]

Igor, the only one that I see freaking out here is you.

This is a warning - you say you want a civil debate. Then you need to be civil as well. Comments like asking someone to stop PMSing, or calling people names will earn you an infraction.

Now calm down and have fun debating CIVILLY.

lol i am not freaking out...obviously you cant tell because this is an online forum...i was trying to have a civil debate until some people got upset and frustrated about a simple opinion

[rabernet]

lol i am not freaking out...obviously you cant tell because this is an online forum...i was trying to have a civil debate until some people got upset and frustrated about a simple opinion

And yet - YOU were the only one slinging insults at other members by asking them to stop PMSing because you didn't like what they said.