"Backyard Breeding"

[JenH]

Ok so when you see a newscast on someone being arrested for animal abuse, (lady in a trailer with 400 Shi'-tzu's) (breeding). Thats backyard breeding.

Another version of it, breeding a pair, then breeding the same male back to all of his own offspring, over and over again, untill you get spider head wobbles.

So, you are implying that inbreeding or even line breeding to prove out a trait is backyard breeding? Or even that Kevin from NERD is a backyard breeder since he is the one that proved out the spider gene?

Just curious....

[West Coast Jungle]

Ok so when you see a newscast on someone being arrested for animal abuse, (lady in a trailer with 400 Shi'-tzu's) (breeding). Thats backyard breeding.

Another version of it, breeding a pair, then breeding the same male back to all of his own offspring, over and over again, untill you get spider head wobbles.

If that were the case we would see many recessive traits with wobbles(which we dont) because they are bred to related snakes over and over again.

Spiders are Dominant which gives them the least likely reason to inbreed, not to mention they are one of the most widely used morphs for combinations. That should eliminate wobbles if anything. I think you are barking up the wrong tree based on your assupmtons not facts.

[Tosha_Mc]

Another version of it, breeding a pair, then breeding the same male back to all of his own offspring, over and over again, untill you get spider head wobbles.

The original spider imports came with the wobble - it's not an inbreeding thing - unless you want to classify mother nature a BYB.

[dsirkle]

One use of the term backyard breeder is to describe someone who breeds dogs without regard to the genetics of the dogs involved. A real breeder is supposed to always be striving to better the breed. Someone who just regularly cranks dogs out for profit is better described as a puppy mill. In all fairness a big time dog breeder will describe someone who occasionally breeds a litter of puppies as a hobby using top quality breeding stock but selling at 1/3 the price of the breeder as a backyard breeder.

[aaramire]

The original spider imports came with the wobble - it's not an inbreeding thing - unless you want to classify mother nature a BYB.

hahah thats the best response i have heard in a while!

[Tosha_Mc]

In my unfettered opinion in the herp world you have:

Businesses - those that make it their primary source of income.
Hobbiest - those that breed to expand their knowledge, interest and collection, if you're lucky you cover the feed bill.
Mills - pumping them out for the $$$$
Scammers - pretty self explanatory

If you are breeding in the herp world you fall under one of these four categories.

[West Coast Jungle]

In my unfettered opinion in the herp world you have:

Businesses - those that make it their primary source of income.
Hobbiest - those that breed to expand their knowledge, interest and collection, if you're lucky you cover the feed bill.
Mills - pumping them out for the $$$$
Scammers - pretty self explanatory

If you are breeding in the herp world you fall under one of these four categories.

Where do the flippers go?

[Tosha_Mc]

Where do the flippers go?

Flippers aren't breeders - but if you had to classify them I'd put them under mills.

[SatanicIntention]

It's SHIH-TZU people.. Spell!

[Ginevive]

I reserve the term "backyard breeder" for those who breed animals solely for profit, without keeping them in proper conditions, without giving them health care, and a lack of knowledge about the animals themselves. In other words people who just breed for the sake of breeding and are just trying to make a quick buck. The kind of people who will sell you a sickly animal and then disappear off the face of the earth when you try to contact them.

People who are breeding for the love of the animals and give them the proper care are not, in my estimation, backyard breeders. They are just beginners who haven't made a name for themselves yet. I'll be joining those ranks in a year or two.

You said it; I agree. IMO, backyard breeders can be compared to puppy mills.