To get a burm or not, that is the question

[CeraDigital]

This is like argueing with a kid....

[frankykeno]

LOL Andrew but remember you and I had a discussion once about how to me you are "just a kid". Try to think of it as a discussion where everyone has a right to their opinion and age isn't all that relevant.

[CeraDigital]

Yes but you argued a point to me that wasn't valid either about giants and their handling...


Your right in that age isn't all that relevant...my point is experience is what counts, correct?

LOL Andrew but remember you and I had a discussion once about how to me you are "just a kid". Try to think of it as a discussion where everyone has a right to their opinion and age isn't all that relevant.

[frankykeno]

Hmmm so only your point is valid? Look the fact is people have the right to their opinions Andrew and you have the right to consider or not consider them as valid to you personally. That they are valid in a broader sense, is in my opinion, not your call to make. Your experience gives you a certain point of view but that won't be given respect if you don't respect that others have different viewpoints.

[CeraDigital]

Had I said that at all, Jo? I don't believe I did. I'm arguing the fact on "will buying a boa will help prepare you for a Burm?"...and the answer is No. The person I am argueing with has no experience with Burms but believes it will...simple as that....Like I said, this is getting quite rediculous....

Hmmm so only your point is valid? Look the fact is people have the right to their opinions Andrew and you have the right to consider or not consider them as valid to you personally. That they are valid in a broader sense, is in my opinion, not your call to make. Your experience gives you a certain point of view but that won't be given respect if you don't respect that others have different viewpoints.

[frankykeno]

What I got from that person's post was that perhaps stepping up more slowly from experience with a BP, through experience with a larger but still manageable snake might be an option. It's actually one I've personally suggested numerous times myself. Your point that one species does not give direct experience with another is also quite valid. This is not a ridiculous discussion but rather a quite good one with valid points coming from members with differing opinions. I think when a person is making a committment to any snake, especially to a giant, gathering all sorts of opinions and viewpoints is a part of good decision making. If more people did this, we'd likely see less giants sitting in rescues or being put down each year.

My input into this thread is simply one of my own opinion, plus the wish to not see this thread become less than educational if we allow it to become about a member's age or what is "valid" and what is not.

[CeraDigital]

I can bot agree and disagree with this. Taking a small step up is unnecessary. Feeding response, habits, strength, temperment, care, even safety and handling are completely different between species. Little to no information learned from keeping a B. c. i. could be carried on to keeping a Burmese Python. This is coming from experience. Nothing more, nothing less. The feeding response and strength factors were just a few given. There are only a few keepers I have seen who would ever recommend taking "a slow step up" until your "able" to keep them in their eyes, and those were all keepers with little to no experience with giants....as I said before, There is no point for it. The only way you can truely prepare for a Burm or other giant is to work hands on with a specimen beforehand, talk to experienced keepers, and to buy one...

What I got from that person's post was that perhaps stepping up more slowly from experience with a BP, through experience with a larger but still manageable snake might be an option. It's actually one I've personally suggested numerous times myself. Your point that one species does not give direct experience with another is also quite valid. This is not a ridiculous discussion but rather a quite good one with valid points coming from members with differing opinions. I think when a person is making a committment to any snake, especially to a giant, gathering all sorts of opinions and viewpoints is a part of good decision making. If more people did this, we'd likely see less giants sitting in rescues or being put down each year.
My input into this thread is simply one of my own opinion, plus the wish to not see this thread become less than educational if we allow it to become about a member's age or what is "valid" and what is not.

[Lobo_Reptiles]

What I got from that person's post was that perhaps stepping up more slowly from experience with a BP, through experience with a larger but still manageable snake might be an option. It's actually one I've personally suggested numerous times myself. Your point that one species does not give direct experience with another is also quite valid. This is not a ridiculous discussion but rather a quite good one with valid points coming from members with differing opinions. I think when a person is making a committment to any snake, especially to a giant, gathering all sorts of opinions and viewpoints is a part of good decision making. If more people did this, we'd likely see less giants sitting in rescues or being put down each year.

My input into this thread is simply one of my own opinion, plus the wish to not see this thread become less than educational if we allow it to become about a member's age or what is "valid" and what is not.

Thank you Jo! Andrew, I am not trying to say a BCI would prepare you for taking care of Burms in sense of temperment or anything. I was merely suggesting what Jo said. I will state clearly: a Boa will never prepare you for Burms. The only thing I think it would do is give a better sense of how even a 5 foot snake can be powerful. It has nothing to do with temperment or anything.

And you say I'm the kid? While you are the one pointing fingers at age and disregarding the same thing I've been trying to say politely to you over and over...and that is I never endorsed a Boa as getting you ready for a Burm. I simply thought a size comparison would be nice. You seem to be the only one who cannot grasp this. Even if you don't agree that's okay, that is what the forums are for. I don't mean to argue with you, I'm just trying to get you to understand what my point is.

I trust you as the person who really knows how to take care of the giants. And you're right, just because I have a BCI doesn't mean I know how to take care of Burms at all. However, I feel a lot better knowing what a 5 foot Boa can do before delving into the world of giants.

[CeraDigital]

Thank you Jo! Andrew, I am not trying to say a BCI would prepare you for taking care of Burms in sense of temperment or anything. I was merely suggesting what Jo said. I will state clearly: a Boa will never prepare you for Burms. The only thing I think it would do is give a better sense of how even a 5 foot snake can be powerful. It has nothing to do with temperment or anything.

And you say I'm the kid? While you are the one pointing fingers at age and disregarding the same thing I've been trying to say politely to you over and over...and that is I never endorsed a Boa as getting you ready for a Burm. I simply thought a size comparison would be nice. You seem to be the only one who cannot grasp this. Even if you don't agree that's okay, that is what the forums are for. I don't mean to argue with you, I'm just trying to get you to understand what my point is.

I trust you as the person who really knows how to take care of the giants. And you're right, just because I have a BCI doesn't mean I know how to take care of Burms at all. However, I feel a lot better knowing what a 5 foot Boa can do before delving into the world of giants.

Need I say more on that subject?

I do understand what your trying to get at...but there is no need for it. I'm the one that disregards opinions being stated? If I were the one, then why argue with an experienced giant keeper when they say a B. c. i. does not prepare you in any way shape or form for a Burmese Python; yet you begged the person to get one first? Even a B. c. i.'s size is uncompareable to a Burms and gives you no general idea of how big they get, or can get...there is no comparison and no real "middle snake" to move up from....unless your prepared to deal with an Indian Python or Ceylon.... The only way you can get any idea of how big they get or will get, is by working with the Burm, or another Giant first hand. What I keep saying keeps getting turned down though, so I'll let you argue your point from now on.....I'm dropping this subject...

Big~Pun, I'll shoot you a Pm, to help out..k?

[Lobo_Reptiles]

Didn't mean to argue, just stating my opinions. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not, I can still say them as long as they aren't completely far fetched. But I see now that you finally understand what I was trying to say even though you don't agree. Thanks for the replies!