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[shavemycoinpurse]

Black eye? ... He allegedly ripped people of for tens of thousands of dollars and has no money to refund anyone ... not black eye ... TSE is done ... forever.

-adam

Agreed.

Unless Sing-Sing has the facilities for running a prison-based reptile business.

[shavemycoinpurse]

What's a jobber?

A "middle-man".

Someone who turns and burns - buys and then sells.

[Adam_Wysocki]

Agreed.

Unless Sing-Sing has the facilities for running a prison-based reptile business.

I'd really be surprised if he actually does jail time.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened ... every couple of years there's always an "incident" in this biz and I've yet to see anyone go to jail ... they just usually disappear.

And sometimes they even resurface with a new biz name hiding behind fake identities doing the same thing all over again.

Hang around the biz long enough and nothing will shock you anymore.

-adam

[jglass38]

Interesting saga. I think its good that the discussion is going on here as well. There is a certain amount of level headedness here that leads to meaningful discussion outside the mob mentality

[shavemycoinpurse]

I'd really be surprised if he actually does jail time.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened ... every couple of years there's always an "incident" in this biz and I've yet to see anyone go to jail ... they just usually disappear.

And sometimes they even resurface with a new biz name hiding behind fake identities doing the same thing all over again.

Hang around the biz long enough and nothing will shock you anymore.

-adam

I know. Wishful thinking.

[jglass38]

I'm sure it'll be GlennPatExotic soon enough ...No doubt he will return under a different name.

[jtman]

I am having trouble figureing out exactly what happened. I started to read the BOI thread but 1300+ post will take me forever to wade though. Not to mention all the side tracked arguments that go in in that thread. So in the begining hes saying hes sick but at the end of the thread its talk about legal actions and scams. Did he lie about being sick too? Did he just take the money and run? Maybe these questions havent been answered but I was just wondering. I'm going to take the necessary actions and get involved as best I can. I could just kick myself for going for the "good deal"

[frankykeno]

Black eye? ... He allegedly ripped people of for tens of thousands of dollars and has no money to refund anyone ... not black eye ... TSE is done ... forever.

-adam

You're right Adam and it's as it should be though I just feel so awful for the folks that got ripped off. If they are like Mike and I that have to safe for snakes and really plan ahead, it's a hard thing to just wave a grand or two goodbye (well it's hard for anyone really to accept this garbage).

I guess I just don't have the mindset of a major scammer but all that work to set up, run a forum, all the time invested, whatever....call me a pollyanna but a mind that smart and focused could have applied itself to so many good ventures instead of this mess.

[Stings]

I am getting involved in the lawsuit and i have submitted to the internet fraud sites. yes i am angry about what has been done to me and yes i have taken it out on people i should not have. for this im sorry im sorry im sorry. so far did i get ripped off the largest amount?

[shavemycoinpurse]

I am getting involved in the lawsuit and i have submitted to the internet fraud sites. yes i am angry about what has been done to me and yes i have taken it out on people i should not have. for this im sorry im sorry im sorry. so far did i get ripped off the largest amount?

I don't think anyone knows who has lost the most quite yet.

Needless to say $2,000 is nothing to sneeze at.

I would encourage you to stick things out as far as the hobby goes.

There are many good people involved in the hobby and the industry.

Perhaps we could get some of the "Good Guys" to kick some hets in and make you whole.

I'm not hatching anything this year - but if all goes well I'll have Het Pieds next year - and you are welcome to a 1.0 Het Pied from one of my clutches when they hatch.