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    Re: Ball python enclosure

    I agree with you on the reptifiles thing that they don't have all the experience, but my viewpoint is that because the owner converses with others such as AAH that she gets the information from those with it. I was mainly trying to link you reading material, but most of the mentions of being semi arboreal/climbing reptiles are in Liam's videos (R&R). On his youtube page he does have many playlist for a lot of different topics, including one fully dedicated to ball pythons which I recommend checking out. Also some of those papers on his website are written by a different person not him, and I hadn't noticed any questionable things.
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    Re: Ball python enclosure

    Quote Originally Posted by BeansTheDerp View Post
    I agree with you on the reptifiles thing that they don't have all the experience, but my viewpoint is that because the owner converses with others such as AAH that she gets the information from those with it.
    Understood.

    But: when I tell you something, what I say is filtered -- by my (probably not 100% correct) perception of you, by how much time I have to flesh things out, by the specific point I'm trying to make in a specific context (and if I'm running an Amazon Affiliate site, I have a strong motivation to filter in some hardware recommendations that may or may not be necessary). And you don't know what or why I've filtered, so you can't reverse engineer what I've said.

    Then when you tell that stuff to the next person, that same filtering goes on, and additionally you probably didn't understand everything 100% (maybe because I didn't explain it clearly; an example is the 'recently been discovered' exchange you and I had up there), so info is lost. Then also you speculate (often reasonably) to fill in some gaps. It is the telephone game, basically; on a large scale it is an echo chamber. That's why I think care sheets (etc) should be written by people with extensive specific experience that is at least largely informed by empirical evidence when possible, and by no one else.

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    Re: Ball python enclosure

    Quote Originally Posted by Malum Argenteum View Post
    Understood.

    But: when I tell you something, what I say is filtered -- by my (probably not 100% correct) perception of you, by how much time I have to flesh things out, by the specific point I'm trying to make in a specific context (and if I'm running an Amazon Affiliate site, I have a strong motivation to filter in some hardware recommendations that may or may not be necessary). And you don't know what or why I've filtered, so you can't reverse engineer what I've said.

    Then when you tell that stuff to the next person, that same filtering goes on, and additionally you probably didn't understand everything 100% (maybe because I didn't explain it clearly; an example is the 'recently been discovered' exchange you and I had up there), so info is lost. Then also you speculate (often reasonably) to fill in some gaps. It is the telephone game, basically; on a large scale it is an echo chamber. That's why I think care sheets (etc) should be written by people with extensive specific experience that is at least largely informed by empirical evidence when possible, and by no one else.
    Once again I agree, I have trouble getting my points across and using the right words/phrases because I'm not very good at talking to people because of some mental things... Which is why I usually direct people towards my source or a channel/person than knows more or will be able to give more/better info with better wording because of having more experience or association with people who have more experience. I also fear giving people the wrong information or delivering it incorrectly which is another reason for that, plus it gives the opportunity for people to leave thoughts on said sources and it becomes a learning moment.
    The telephone game is one of many reasons why I always find multiple sources for things or at least try to, and why when giving people information about things I try to give multiple sources.
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    I think everyone misses the proper wording and could do a better job at getting points across from time to time. You seem to do a fine job conversing here.

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    Re: Ball python enclosure

    Thank you that means a lot, I was trying my absolute hardest and rereading every message I was about to send like 50 times before sending it which probably helped!
    This was a very fun and informative conversation, thank you for being so nice to speak with and in general.
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