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    Re: Ball Python Cause of Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Armiyana View Post
    I was actually just about to post about that as well. earlier when I was on my phone I couldn't see it clear enough.
    The things I notice are:
    1: The plastic bag. Why photograph the snake in there?
    2: The rodent. Again, why? Did they just leave this snake in a deli cup with the rodent thinking it would eat? "Had not been fed" looks like a lie when there's a rodent in that photo. it was at least attempted.
    3: no airholes. Unless they were in the lid... but also in a plastic bag? Still concerned about breathing
    4: The only ACTUAL sign of something wrong... there is some discoloration along the belly of the snake that looks more green. This WOULD be signs of either severe necrosis or the body breaking down after death. Otherwise the snake seems posed like it's trying to get out...which makes me wonder if the green I'm seeing is actually just a lighting issue.

    Either way, I'm sorry that this happened to you! Loosing one that you raised so soon after changing hands can hurt.
    There is a little bit of fault on you for not catching the spam, but considering the amount of election spam ~I~ had been getting.... that's understandable.
    From there.... unless you stated at the time of purchase, the average health guarantee for reptiles is typically VERY short. You're usually lucky to see anything past 24 hours. Some will give you 72 hours. Anything after that is pretty rare, I know one breeder who gave me a 30 day which shocked me. That said, some breeders will still listen to you on an issue past the guarantee and try to make things right.

    But this is a super difficult case here.
    Again, the missed message didn't help... but the photo they sent is not definitive in any way. Once I had the unfortunate DOA leopard gecko show up at my door. I had at least 4 different photos to send to the breeder as proof of death. Thankfully they responded quickly and I didn't have to freeze the little one. Without the extra proof, I don't know how far you would want to go.
    Depending on how they paid can also be an issue as well. Cash? it's all in your decision. Credit? They may try a chargeback. Paypal business? Possible chargeback. Paypal F&F or Venmo will not allow chargebacks.
    If there's a threat of chargeback, you may have to compromise on something like a partial refund. But honestly they did the bare minimum in contacting you/proof of death, so if this was my own animal I would be hesitant to do anything like a full refund or replacement.
    Thank you for your response. Apparently she had gone to feed him and found him dead. She had then put him in the bag/cup and apparently only took one photo. I think posing of the snake is strange, but unfortunately I can’t prove anything and neither can they. I already told them that my guarantee is only 24hrs. They’re not demanding their money back necessarily. I just would feel bad if he did actually die for “no reason”. I didn’t notice the green coloration before you said that, but also can’t rule out lighting.


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    Re: Ball Python Cause of Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    I would disagree- paper towels are the substrate of choice with a new snake that might have mites, at least until you're sure they don't. Also, white paper towels show other serious issues too, like a mucoid or bloody smear from the cloaca, or diarrhea.

    This one was the smallest of the clutch-mates too- making it a bit more likely that something else didn't develop quite as well as the others.

    Ideally though, a necropsy "might" have given an answer, & someone wanting a refund or exchange should NOT have discarded the body before checking with the breeder, IMO. That they did adds room for some doubt as to their handling or "ideal conditions".

    Failure to thrive has been known to happen after not just a few weeks but even months. It all depends what the issue was.
    He wasn’t the smallest of his clutch, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been failure to thrive.


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    Re: Ball Python Cause of Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Armiyana View Post
    From there.... unless you stated at the time of purchase, the average health guarantee for reptiles is typically VERY short. You're usually lucky to see anything past 24 hours. Some will give you 72 hours. Anything after that is pretty rare, I know one breeder who gave me a 30 day which shocked me. That said, some breeders will still listen to you on an issue past the guarantee and try to make things right.
    I vend expos and sell online, and in both cases I have a 'live and outwardly healthy at the time you get the animal' policy. I give 24 hours on shipped animals to confirm the sex. That's all in writing. I've gone over and above this on more than one occasion, and usually the buyer is clearly the one at fault, but I think it good to have a firm policy in place.

    I think the extended (30 day) health guarantees are a good business decision for those sellers who want above all else to maximize number of sales. The number of buyers who will make a claim on an animal they killed or isn't even sick or dead might be outweighed by the increased sales volume such a liberal guarantee will encourage, much like retail businesses with a ridiculously buyer-focused return policy. I personally don't try to maximize sales -- quite the opposite, in fact -- but some vendors certainly do.

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    Re: Ball Python Cause of Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReptileRant View Post
    He wasn’t the smallest of his clutch, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been failure to thrive.


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    Sorry, my bad- I misremembered. I guess I assumed by the # of meals? Thanks for clarifying.
    Last edited by Bogertophis; 11-19-2022 at 12:54 PM.
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