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    Re: Advice for switching to F/T

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    Go to rats not mice. Thaw out one of each. Then blow the mice scent into the tank through a vent. Your snake with light up and get into feeding mode. You will see itís pretty cool.

    Then open tank, present rat and the rest is history. Works every time like a charm.
    Also known as "bait & switch"!
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    I wanted to give an update before I try again tomorrow.

    Monty shed successfully and finished yesterday with a complete perfect shed. I didn't notice anything last Sunday when I tried to feed but maybe because he was beginning the process might also be why he refused. He is a BEL so I didn't notice until Monday when I saw a slight haze in his blue eyes. I made sure he has some extra moisture in his warm hide and a few days later he fully shed. So, crossing fingers, but I'm trying again tomorrow to feed him and did get some Mouse litter from a pet store to maybe give the rat some mouse scent before I feed. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for all the great advice!

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    Re: Advice for switching to F/T

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    I wanted to give an update before I try again tomorrow.

    Monty shed successfully and finished yesterday with a complete perfect shed. I didn't notice anything last Sunday when I tried to feed but maybe because he was beginning the process might also be why he refused. He is a BEL so I didn't notice until Monday when I saw a slight haze in his blue eyes. I made sure he has some extra moisture in his warm hide and a few days later he fully shed. So, crossing fingers, but I'm trying again tomorrow to feed him and did get some Mouse litter from a pet store to maybe give the rat some mouse scent before I feed. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for all the great advice!
    Many snakes "feel their shed coming" even before we see any of the evidence- so I agree, that's a likely reason he refused food. And yes, BELs are very hard to see the clouding (for shed) too.
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    Update and thanks:

    So, after that first successful shed, Monty was back to himself. For the next 3 weeks I just didn't want to rock the boat and fed live mice (full size and largest up to that point). Then he went back into shed around that 4th week, and took him like 9 or 10 days and perfect shed once again. So, this time after shed i decided to try the F/T but decided to do mice and then later do the switch to rats. First attempt was successful and it was the largest mouse he ate to that date. So, using the advice from some members in this post, i am going to try to switch to rats after 2 or 3 successful F/T mice.

    On a side note, Monty is becoming a very amazing little guy. He is now to the point where he actually comes to the front of his enclosure and comes out basically on command. He seems like he wants to be out and is also becoming social with some of my family members. I think it's quite impressive as he is only 3 1/2 months old. I have a small video I may try to upload that shows him coming out on command.

    Thanks to all for your advice and I'll be back with updates!

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    Re: Advice for switching to F/T

    Sounds promising


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    personally i have been able to switch multiple of my snakes (scrub python, African rock python, etc) from live prey to f/t - i usually wait till itís night time and their room is pitch black to feed, then i soak them in scalding water for prolong periods of time, well over whatís actually necessary to thaw them, get them real hot and toasty and fresh again, and then from there it depends on the snake

    passive hunting: Iíve been leaving the prey at the foot of my African rock den and sometime throughout the night theyíll eat it (unless theyíre out of their den and are active that night then Iíll feed directly)

    active hunting: my scrub python is the complete opposite of my African rock - he is *always* active and the whole feeding process is an event where i have to both present it to him and then struggle a little while heís alligator rolling in his soaking bowl (i havenít updated my thread about this but heís still doing it to those that have seen it)

    from that i think it comes down to figuring out your snakes own individual style and temperament - some may need an epic battle, some might be bashful and just want a silent meal on their porch, you know

    i think experimentation and also consistent trying is key
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    Re: Advice for switching to F/T

    If all else fails Ö

    Give the tried and trusted hairdryer method a go !!


    Message me anytime for the details ..


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    The first F/T mouse went perfectly, I had it gradually thawed in room temp water, and then once it was thoroughly thawed I put it in hot water for 30 seconds or so until the temp of the mouses head was slightly over 100 degrees. I held it in front of Monty in a position that looked like the mouse was walking, he kind of sniffed it for just a few seconds and then...bam, strike and coil, the rest was as usual. So I figure if he gets used to that a couple times, when I'm ready to switch to a rat, I'll have both ready to feed and get his interest up with the smell of the mouse and then present him the rat. I will let you know how that goes in a couple weeks.

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    You did great! Or maybe we should credit Monty? Either way...
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    Re: Advice for switching to F/T

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    You did great! Or maybe we should credit Monty? Either way...

    LOL, yeah, this is all Monty, i'm the one with the learning curve, he just allows me to be part of his world

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