Yeah I don't want the racks to tall , so i'll keep that height manageable. Also I need to update my profile signature as my son and I are up to about 35-40 snakes now. We have been producing a lot of visual clown stuff from het to het pairing and keeping what we need and have been selling what we don't need. Also from the money from those sales we have been getting into some yellow belly and orange dream pied stuff so this is the reason for the needed room. Thanks again for all the ideas and if any has pics of their snake rooms it would be apricated if you could post them in this thread. Thanks again