FB Ball Groups are the toilet of the internet (seeking husbandry advice)

[Valrie87]

Hey folks,

I have had my ball for a little over a year. I have recently move him to a new enclosure and we are about 6 weeks from his last feed. I monitor humidity, have the correct heating and temps on each side. I've attached my setup for advice on how to improve. I tried reached out on a FB group and was met with sarcasm and honestly, just a bunch of criticism without solutions. This is the first forum I joined when I got my ball and it has always be a good place for constructive criticism. I appreciate any and all information as long as people are cool about it.

I have heard the following from some folks on the group before I left it:
- Choose a different substrate. Maybe coco husk?
- Enclosure may be too big?
- Not enough clutter
- Humidity issues with the exo terra tanks
- Air temp issues? (not sure how to measure those?)

Thanks!







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[Sonny1318]

Hopefully, we can help you. Some people on here might recommend better hides for starters, and eco terra tank can be difficult to maintain humidity in. But I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t be made to work. Is the snake shedding properly? Can your temps be a tad bit high? And what’s wrong with your substrate? The more details you give us (temps, humidity, prey size) the better way can assist. Peace

[Valrie87]

Sure! Thank you. He actually just had a perfect shed 3 days ago. I tried to feed him yesterday as it has been about 6 weeks since his last meal.

- The coco fiber has always been a good substrate for me but a few people say it is terrible.
- Temp on the left (CHE on thermostat) stay in the range of 87-90
- Temp on ambient side (UTH on thermostat) stay in the range of 77-80
- Humidity has been a bit of an issue. I do mist a little when it gets low or add light moisture to the substrate. Living in Colorado has proven to be a challenge with humidity.
- Prey size: I usually go with FT rats that are the width of the larger part of his body but, I have tried smaller in the past few weeks just to see if that would get him to eat
- I do have 2 cork hides that I monitor for signs of over-moisture/mold.. I haven't had any issues with these. I do have another plastic hide that I could try.

[Lord Sorril]

The setup looks fine. It is almost identical to my original enclosures (many years ago).

6 weeks of non-eating is trivial for a male ball python that size. I wouldn't even make a note for at least 3 months. Then I wouldn't worry until about 6 months had past.

If your concern is that you are wasting f/t trying to get him to eat: I would cut off part of the tail a feeder and thaw out and see if he is interested in the scent before I risked thawing an entire rodent. I would only attempt feeding once every two weeks (to generate more interest).

I also wouldn't handle/bother him until he feels secure and resumes a regular eating schedule.

Good luck!

Oh, and cute dog btw

[Moose84]

Did the snake stop eating when you moved him to the new enclosure?

What was he in before?

[Bogertophis]

...I do have 2 cork hides that I monitor for signs of over-moisture/mold.. I haven't had any issues with these. I do have another plastic hide that I could try.

About hides...most BPs seem to prefer something that feels snug to them, where another creature can't come after them. I like & use those "tree bark" tunnels in some
cages, but only as cage furniture & decor -aka "clutter" -they are way too open to be considered as "hides" (too tall, 2 door-ways, door-way is way too big) though
the weight works in their favor. Cork hides might be too light to feel snug enough, but that's also true of many plastic hides. I don't recall who makes them but there
are some rounded & heavier hides sold (fake rock-look) that might be worth trying? Otherwise, I think your snake is just doing what most BPs do..."play hard to get"!

Keep in mind that snakes don't understand how or why their world just completely changed...so even if your new cage is perfect in every way, the fact that
it's new may be the only thing that's making your pet fearful...and only time & your patience will fix that. Don't handle for a few weeks while a new snake
(or a BP with a new cage) is "settling in", for best results. They have to be convinced that they are still safe.

[Bogertophis]

BTW, you don't always need different hides either...don't be afraid to make "improvements" on existing ones: they will smell familiar, & if too large, you
can make them feel smaller by stuffing some paper inside (for example)...& if they're too "open", you can cover part of the opening. As long as what you
use is safe (nothing they can get their head stuck in, etc.), it's fine to get creative, & your snake really only cares about how private it feels. Your cage
looks nice...probably just a few tweaks (& mostly time for him to settle in) are all that's needed.

[Craiga 01453]

I don't see anything really wrong with your setup. Except I'd ditch the half log in favor of a proper hide. Other than that I see a pretty nice setup.

As for six weeks without food, that's nothing in BP Land.
Only offer every few weeks, he'll eat when he's ready.

I've actually gotten to the point that I won't even offer my BPs food until they show signs they want to eat.
So basically I wait until I observe "hunting" behavior. And for my BPs this simply means they're poking their nose out from the hide at night hoping a prey item walks by.
Once I've seen that behavior on consecutive nights I offer. So far that's worked really well for me.

And P.S. I left FB probably 6 years ago. I don't miss it at all.

[FollowTheSun]

If you need to increase humidity try covering the screened top. I use a cut-up yoga mat for mine. I live in very low humidity climate and this works really well.

[Godzilla78]

I’m just here for the title. Lol