Bad Neck Kink

[Jellybeans]

It’s not just his line. The super cinnamon morph is known for having defects. That’s the reason a lot of people don’t breed them.


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Yes. It's one of the morphs that should not be bred.

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[MR Snakes]

There is a facebook page for inquiries, praise and criticism now. It gets a LOT of traffic, I dare say even more so then Fauna Classified.

You should look it up , ask to join, and then post. Just like with Fauna, make sure you read the rules and then post with all information you have. Pictures, screen shots of text messages, anything at all.

FBI - Feedback and Inquiries For Reptiles << that is it, find it on facebook


I did a search on there and there are 2 posts regarding that breeder. Each time nothing but praise...Although those posts aren't that long. One has 34 comments, that one was an inquiry. Then there is a praise one, with 4 comments.

Doesn't mean he didn't mess up this time and shouldn't be held accountable.

You will definitely need to answer how and where the snake was housed while your wife kept it a secret. Even the breeder will question whether it has been housed correctly. Even though that doesn't change a kink in the neck.

Just have all your ducks in a row and then go with it. You can 100% ask for your money back through paypal. Do a charge back. Do NOT euthanize the snake. While it may be the kind thing to do, while all this is going on, it needs to stay alive. And you may have to return it.

While its easy to be noble online and say the snake shouldn't go back to that guy, this is $500 we are talking about. It is not fair to you that you should have that loss.

I'm going to hire you to be my SPA (Snake Purchasing Advocate)! My head is spinning.

[zina10]

I would never sell a hatchling with a defect. No matter what morph, cheap, expensive, normal.

It just doesn't seem right. I would re-home it carefully, to the right home, to someone with experience and willingness to take it on. If the defect was to severe, then I would do the heartbreaking task of putting it down.

"You forever become responsible for what you have tamed" You are also responsible for what you have created. And a snake with no quality of life means you do the hard thing.

I didn't even sell one of my hatchlings that had no other issues then being a difficult starter. Refused to eat, like some just do. To the point of assist feeding after all other options were exhausted. Even assist feeding was challenging with that one. I eventually got it to eat. Then to eat on its own. Then it would grab, coil and eat with gusto! After 3 or 4 of those great feedings I gave that one away, despite being a gorgeous looking morph and a sweet heart. It just didn't feel right to sell her. She went to a good home with full disclosure. If she had gone back to not eating because of the stress of moving, she would have come back to me.
She is a TREASURED pet now. I get pictures frequently. She is growing and thriving and gorgeous. She has never refused a meal yet. She is the sister to "Sunny" my Super Emperor Pinstripe girl. Her sister is just as gorgeous.

Actually, most of my hatchlings were either given away or sold at low prices. Same for the adults I "sold". This way I was able to be very picky about where they ended up. However, there is NOTHING wrong with good breeders asking good prices. I have no problem paying for a healthy snake with the genetics I want from a GOOD and REPUTABLE source.

He may be a good breeder with quality animals. He may (so far) have a great reputation. If the snake was in as bad of a shape in his care as it is now, it shouldn't have been sold, period! I would love to hear what he has to say.

[zina10]

I'm going to hire you to be my SPA (Snake Purchasing Advocate)! My head is spinning.

I've been in those circles for quite a long time. The BOI and FBI are sometime entertaining to read. Sometimes you just wonder how low people can sink and you feel like you need to shower after reading. Such scumbags out there. But it also teaches you who/what to stay away from.

I cannot say this enough, do your homework before buying. It can save you a lot of head ache and heart ache. I think you will be just fine, though, you have learned a TON already, and fast, too. I think your snakes will be some very fortunate ones, indeed. The way it should be

[Jellybeans]

I would never sell a hatchling with a defect. No matter what morph, cheap, expensive, normal.

It just doesn't seem right. I would re-home it carefully, to the right home, to someone with experience and willingness to take it on. If the defect was to severe, then I would do the heartbreaking task of putting it down.

"You forever become responsible for what you have tamed" You are also responsible for what you have created. And a snake with no quality of life means you do the hard thing.

I didn't even sell one of my hatchlings that had no other issues then being a difficult starter. Refused to eat, like some just do. To the point of assist feeding after all other options were exhausted. Even assist feeding was challenging with that one. I eventually got it to eat. Then to eat on its own. Then it would grab, coil and eat with gusto! After 3 or 4 of those great feedings I gave that one away, despite being a gorgeous looking morph and a sweet heart. It just didn't feel right to sell her. She went to a good home with full disclosure. If she had gone back to not eating because of the stress of moving, she would have come back to me.
She is a TREASURED pet now. I get pictures frequently. She is growing and thriving and gorgeous. She has never refused a meal yet. She is the sister to "Sunny" my Super Emperor Pinstripe girl. Her sister is just as gorgeous.

Actually, most of my hatchlings were either given away or sold at low prices. Same for the adults I "sold". This way I was able to be very picky about where they ended up. However, there is NOTHING wrong with good breeders asking good prices. I have no problem paying for a healthy snake with the genetics I want from a GOOD and REPUTABLE source.

He may be a good breeder with quality animals. He may (so far) have a great reputation. If the snake was in as bad of a shape in his care as it is now, it shouldn't have been sold, period! I would love to hear what he has to say.

Very well said.
Your outlook is refreshing and commendable

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[Russell Bye]

Yes. It's one of the morphs that should not be bred.

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I have learned this fact as well. Maybe a little late, but the super does seem to have its issues. I just don't think that if a breeder sales this morph with issues to a person with little knowledge and tells them that a kink will cause no issues, then that is irresponsible.

[Russell Bye]

I would never sell a hatchling with a defect. No matter what morph, cheap, expensive, normal.

It just doesn't seem right. I would re-home it carefully, to the right home, to someone with experience and willingness to take it on. If the defect was to severe, then I would do the heartbreaking task of putting it down.

"You forever become responsible for what you have tamed" You are also responsible for what you have created. And a snake with no quality of life means you do the hard thing.

I didn't even sell one of my hatchlings that had no other issues then being a difficult starter. Refused to eat, like some just do. To the point of assist feeding after all other options were exhausted. Even assist feeding was challenging with that one. I eventually got it to eat. Then to eat on its own. Then it would grab, coil and eat with gusto! After 3 or 4 of those great feedings I gave that one away, despite being a gorgeous looking morph and a sweet heart. It just didn't feel right to sell her. She went to a good home with full disclosure. If she had gone back to not eating because of the stress of moving, she would have come back to me.
She is a TREASURED pet now. I get pictures frequently. She is growing and thriving and gorgeous. She has never refused a meal yet. She is the sister to "Sunny" my Super Emperor Pinstripe girl. Her sister is just as gorgeous.

Actually, most of my hatchlings were either given away or sold at low prices. Same for the adults I "sold". This way I was able to be very picky about where they ended up. However, there is NOTHING wrong with good breeders asking good prices. I have no problem paying for a healthy snake with the genetics I want from a GOOD and REPUTABLE source.

He may be a good breeder with quality animals. He may (so far) have a great reputation. If the snake was in as bad of a shape in his care as it is now, it shouldn't have been sold, period! I would love to hear what he has to say.

I just wish everyone had these same morals. It is fine for people to have a business and make profits, but never sell an animal with defects just to make money.

[MR Snakes]

I've been in those circles for quite a long time. The BOI and FBI are sometime entertaining to read. Sometimes you just wonder how low people can sink and you feel like you need to shower after reading. Such scumbags out there. But it also teaches you who/what to stay away from.

I cannot say this enough, do your homework before buying. It can save you a lot of head ache and heart ache. I think you will be just fine, though, you have learned a TON already, and fast, too. I think your snakes will be some very fortunate ones, indeed. The way it should be

Dummie here.......what is BOI & FBI? You're not in trouble now?

[Jellybeans]

I have learned this fact as well. Maybe a little late, but the super does seem to have its issues. I just don't think that if a breeder sales this morph with issues to a person with little knowledge and tells them that a kink will cause no issues, then that is irresponsible.

You are absolutely right.
I myself have just recently learned of all the ball python morph issues.

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[Dianne]

I've been in those circles for quite a long time. The BOI and FBI are sometime entertaining to read. Sometimes you just wonder how low people can sink and you feel like you need to shower after reading. Such scumbags out there. But it also teaches you who/what to stay away from.

I cannot say this enough, do your homework before buying. It can save you a lot of head ache and heart ache. I think you will be just fine, though, you have learned a TON already, and fast, too. I think your snakes will be some very fortunate ones, indeed. The way it should be

I learned early on about less than ethical breeders/sellers when I bought my Solomon Island ground boa who was “captive bred and feeding on small mice” at the table when I purchased him. When I reached out to the vendor when he refused to eat, all of a sudden he was wild caught and ‘usually’ ate lizards...ummm, not those either. I eventually got him eating, but it was initially assist feeding when he started dropping weight.

For new buyers it can be overwhelming at times, and there doesn’t seem to be much available for this seller so there wouldn’t have been any red flags. These forums and websites at least help weed out some of the worst sellers. Hopefully the seller will make good on the purchase or there are avenues available through the purchasing vendor to get their money back. I do agree to handling this professionally through the appropriate chanels and keeping the animal alive until it is resolved. Best of luck to the OP.