Bad Neck Kink

[RickyNY]

The breeders guarantee was for 7 days, but my wife had him 2 weeks prior to Christmas, so the time had passed by the time I got him.

Where did she hide it from you for 2 weeks? Don't tell me in a box under the Christmas tree!

[zina10]

There is a facebook page for inquiries, praise and criticism now. It gets a LOT of traffic, I dare say even more so then Fauna Classified.

You should look it up , ask to join, and then post. Just like with Fauna, make sure you read the rules and then post with all information you have. Pictures, screen shots of text messages, anything at all.

FBI - Feedback and Inquiries For Reptiles << that is it, find it on facebook


I did a search on there and there are 2 posts regarding that breeder. Each time nothing but praise...Although those posts aren't that long. One has 34 comments, that one was an inquiry. Then there is a praise one, with 4 comments.

Doesn't mean he didn't mess up this time and shouldn't be held accountable.

You will definitely need to answer how and where the snake was housed while your wife kept it a secret. Even the breeder will question whether it has been housed correctly. Even though that doesn't change a kink in the neck.

Just have all your ducks in a row and then go with it. You can 100% ask for your money back through paypal. Do a charge back. Do NOT euthanize the snake. While it may be the kind thing to do, while all this is going on, it needs to stay alive. And you may have to return it.

While its easy to be noble online and say the snake shouldn't go back to that guy, this is $500 we are talking about. It is not fair to you that you should have that loss.

[Bogertophis]

And again, how did she make the payment? Might be able to get a refund thru credit card but you have to make a complaint & quickly.
What that seller did is despicable... and I'd still tell the Morph Market folks, you're probably not the only one he has cheated, you know.

[Russell Bye]

Where did she hide it from you for 2 weeks? Don't tell me in a box under the Christmas tree!

Ha, no she took good care of it. We have a spare room that she put it in with an appropriate enclosure and made it off limits to me. I had a feeling she had probably bought a snake for me but I was good and stayed out of the room until Christmas. She has always had reptiles and snakes since she was a kid, she just did not know about kinks and the problems that they create.

[Russell Bye]

And again, how did she make the payment? Might be able to get a refund thru credit card but you have to make a complaint & quickly.
What that seller did is despicable... and I'd still tell the Morph Market folks, you're probably not the only one he has cheated, you know.

I just asked her about payment and she used google pay, I guess similar to paypal, I am not familiar with it. We will check into it though. Thanks.

[Bogertophis]

I just asked her about payment and she used google pay, I guess similar to paypal, I am not familiar with it. We will check into it though. Thanks.

Same thing...it's credit, you have rights.

[zina10]

Searched for his business name as well as his full name on Fauna Classifieds BOI as well. Nothing.

He does seem to care about his reputation and no-one yet has anything bad to say about him. At least not that I could find on inquiry boards/pages or even google. (under business and personal name)

So maybe this is not typical for him? Maybe there is hope to come to some resolution?

I still say, call him out on it on those pages. People WILL reply. And if he cares about his reputation and he did wrong, he should make it right. The scammers just disappear for a few months, but he doesn't seem to be one of those from what I could gather.

[Russell Bye]

There is a facebook page for inquiries, praise and criticism now. It gets a LOT of traffic, I dare say even more so then Fauna Classified.

You should look it up , ask to join, and then post. Just like with Fauna, make sure you read the rules and then post with all information you have. Pictures, screen shots of text messages, anything at all.

FBI - Feedback and Inquiries For Reptiles << that is it, find it on facebook


I did a search on there and there are 2 posts regarding that breeder. Each time nothing but praise...Although those posts aren't that long. One has 34 comments, that one was an inquiry. Then there is a praise one, with 4 comments.

Doesn't mean he didn't mess up this time and shouldn't be held accountable.

You will definitely need to answer how and where the snake was housed while your wife kept it a secret. Even the breeder will question whether it has been housed correctly. Even though that doesn't change a kink in the neck.

Just have all your ducks in a row and then go with it. You can 100% ask for your money back through paypal. Do a charge back. Do NOT euthanize the snake. While it may be the kind thing to do, while all this is going on, it needs to stay alive. And you may have to return it.

While its easy to be noble online and say the snake shouldn't go back to that guy, this is $500 we are talking about. It is not fair to you that you should have that loss.

All good advice. He does have a multitude of other snake sales, and probably does ok on the most part because honestly most snakes are problem free. I think he has a cinnamon line that has genetic problems, if you look at his supers he has sold in the past, a number of them state that they have kinks. I think he should cull his bad line and focus on the good. For me I would have been fine if he would just own up to selling a bad snake and take responsibility for it. I have to say, I read all the communication between the breeder and my wife. He was very pleasant. She specifically asked him if the kink would be an issue and he assured her it would not be. He tone changed completely when I approached him about the condition of the snake and sent him this same video. He became very defensive.
thanks for the advice.

[zina10]

All good advice. He does have a multitude of other snake sales, and probably does ok on the most part because honestly most snakes are problem free. I think he has a cinnamon line that has genetic problems, if you look at his supers he has sold in the past, a number of them state that they have kinks. I think he should cull his bad line and focus on the good. For me I would have been fine if he would just own up to selling a bad snake and take responsibility for it. I have to say, I read all the communication between the breeder and my wife. He was very pleasant. She specifically asked him if the kink would be an issue and he assured her it would not be. He tone changed completely when I approached him about the condition of the snake and sent him this same video. He became very defensive.
thanks for the advice.

Then bring all of it out in the open! Post it. Including the video. True, you were told about the kink, so there was no misrepresentation. But you were told the kink didn't seem to bother the snake.

So here are my questions.

What does the snake weigh now? What did it weigh when you got it? How often has it fed for the breeder and what did he feed it ?
You say the bad problem started after the snake ate its first meal with you ? What exactly happened during that feed? Was the snake able to kill (unless f/t) constrict and eat it without problem? With problems? Was the tail limp and the snake flailing BEFORE that meal and after you got it ?

[Jbabycsx]

All good advice. He does have a multitude of other snake sales, and probably does ok on the most part because honestly most snakes are problem free. I think he has a cinnamon line that has genetic problems, if you look at his supers he has sold in the past, a number of them state that they have kinks. I think he should cull his bad line and focus on the good. For me I would have been fine if he would just own up to selling a bad snake and take responsibility for it. I have to say, I read all the communication between the breeder and my wife. He was very pleasant. She specifically asked him if the kink would be an issue and he assured her it would not be. He tone changed completely when I approached him about the condition of the snake and sent him this same video. He became very defensive.
thanks for the advice.

It’s not just his line. The super cinnamon morph is known for having defects. That’s the reason a lot of people don’t breed them.


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