Guess this morph!

[Ax01]

congratz! that's a good looking animal. whatchu gonna name the morph?

This is getting interesting. Once you get beyond three genes, many of the combos end up with almost exactly the same result. This is why I am very skeptical about the claims of a certain large breeder. Unless you are dealing with Supers and in some cases ALS breeding stock you cannot be 100% on what is in it.

i agree w/ this.

Pastel Leopard Vanilla Enchi

that was gonna be my first guess!

Yes sir. Pastel enchi vanilla leopard is correct. Someone said vanilla but didn’t add it to the other genes. Tbh I didn’t think you guys would’ve guessed it that quick. I thought the vanilla would throw everyone off, which it seemed to for some lol.

i think everyone did a pretty good job based off one pix IMO.


Edit:

The hints helped. The Pastel Enchi and Leopard can be seen but the last gene is hidden to me. I assume you know it’s there from the pairing or by comparing to clutch mates.

Yes the pairing and opinions from some bigger breeders. The pattern is way cleaner and lighter than any pastel enchi Leo I’ve ever seen.

could u post the whole clutch? i would love to see some of the comparisons.

[JodanOrNoDan]

So how is the determination being made that the animal is vanilla and not fire?

[highqualityballz]

So how is the determination being made that the animal is vanilla and not fire?

I sent the photo to a few couple big breeders and they all seem to think vanilla.

[JodanOrNoDan]

I sent the photo to a few couple big breeders and they all seem to think vanilla.

Did they tell you why? I hope you do not think I am giving you a hard time. I am really interested in how they are arriving at that or are they just guessing. I have a nightmare breeding myself this year. I normally avoid these type of breedings because I want to be really sure of what comes out, however the gravel gene is in play so I did a Pastel/Spark/YB x Highway. In theory I could tell them apart but some of the possible combos are very, very close.

[highqualityballz]

Did they tell you why? I hope you do not think I am giving you a hard time. I am really interested in how they are arriving at that or are they just guessing. I have a nightmare breeding myself this year. I normally avoid these type of breedings because I want to be really sure of what comes out, however the gravel gene is in play so I did a Pastel/Spark/YB x Highway. In theory I could tell them apart but some of the possible combos are very, very close.

Yeah I agree. Vanilla and fire in one clutch was definitely risky. I’m still asking around and getting more opinions. Do you definitely see vanilla or fire? I definitely see more than pastel enchi and leopard.

[Skyrivers]

Little behind the ball. LOL. with the guessing. LOL

[highqualityballz]

Here’s another look when it was smaller. Better lighting


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[JodanOrNoDan]

Yeah I agree. Vanilla and fire in one clutch was definitely risky. I’m still asking around and getting more opinions. Do you definitely see vanilla or fire? I definitely see more than pastel enchi and leopard.

I am going to say I am not qualified to make the determination. I don't work with the gene, and from the pictures I have seen they look pretty much the same to me until a super or als is produced. That said when I started I couldn't tell a phantom from a mojave now they are night and day, so these guys could be seeing things that I cannot yet.

I primarily work with BEL complex, enchi and lavender. This is my first year doing YB complex. Next will be my first with fire. So I am willing to play the the guessing game, but I cannot give you a definitive on anything other than what I work with and sometimes even those make me wonder with certain combos. I have a few "mystery" snakes myself.

I would guess that they are right, vanilla because the vanilla super is not white and the fire is so i am assuming that vanilla is going to be darker than fire. But... I am not sure how much the leopard darkened things up.

[highqualityballz]

Rechecked and most agree vanilla is present. Obviously can’t be 100% but more than likely has the vanilla gene.

[BPGator]

Rechecked and most agree vanilla is present. Obviously can’t be 100% but more than likely has the vanilla gene.

One parent was Vanilla Scream so it has to have either Fire or Vanilla in it. I’d vote Vanilla too


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