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That is one really nice clutch, congratulations!
1.0 Black Pastel Pinstripe
1.0 Reduced Pattern Clown
1.0 Low White Pied
1.0 Hypo Super Enchi
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Congrats! It’s always a nice relief once they take their first meal.
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
The_rotten1,
Since the last messages we've shared you've posted pics of the bellies of the Spiders in question. Also, a second look at the Dame (it's "Dame" folks, not Dam, look it up) has me convinced, it is without question, reduced. I can't tell from your photo, but KRG brings an abundance of melanin to the table in it's bands where as Blade, Enchi, and Woma tend to have brown bands. Both neonate Spiders have reduced patterns, the male has Leopard, but the other gene is at play too, the female, has no Leopard, and the other gene is very evident in it's reduction. Your Dame looks very similar to Louies ( Juggler Ball Pythons) Spider KRG on WOBP. (I have seen and held this animal on several occasions). The only real way to be sure is to breed it. Having worked with, bred, and produced several KRG clutches, I would not say "it is not KRG".
P.S. Your pied is without a doubt Leopard.
Jim
Here's a side shot of a single gene KRG het pied...
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
Another shot of the sides.
Jim
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
Originally Posted by JimFoxValleyReptiles
The_rotten1,
Since the last messages we've shared you've posted pics of the bellies of the Spiders in question. Also, a second look at the Dame (it's "Dame" folks, not Dam, look it up) has me convinced, it is without question, reduced. I can't tell from your photo, but KRG brings an abundance of melanin to the table in it's bands where as Blade, Enchi, and Woma tend to have brown bands. Both neonate Spiders have reduced patterns, the male has Leopard, but the other gene is at play too, the female, has no Leopard, and the other gene is very evident in it's reduction. Your Dame looks very similar to Louies ( Juggler Ball Pythons) Spider KRG on WOBP. (I have seen and held this animal on several occasions). The only real way to be sure is to breed it. Having worked with, bred, and produced several KRG clutches, I would not say "it is not KRG".
P.S. Your pied is without a doubt Leopard.
Jim
Here's a side shot of a single gene KRG het pied...
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I really don’t want to hijack this thread but I also don’t want to miss out on the knowledge you obviously have. What do you make of this girl?
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As of July, 31st, 2018... (I think)
1.0.0 - Albino Pastel Black Pastel Pinstripe -384g ('18)
1.0.0 - Albino Candy - Candino ('17)
1.0.0 - Super Pastel Butter ('18)
1.0.0 - Pastel Calico - 735 ('16)
1.0.0 - Lesser Pastel - 1344g ('16)
1.0.0 - Black Pastel - 1680g ('15)
1.0.0 - Mojave Mystic - Mystic Potion ('16)
1.0.0 - Spotnose Spider
1.0.0 - Black Head ('16) |
0.1.0 - Lesser ('14)
0.1.0 - Orange Dream Pastel Spider - 453g ('17)
0.1.0 - Pied ('17)
0.1.0 - Pastel Black Pastel Spider ('16)
0.1.0 - Hypo Enchi Butter - 310g (‘17)
0.1.0 - Leopard (‘17)
0.1.0 - Orange Ghost ('16)
0.4.0 - Dinker YB ('17/18)
0.1.0 - Pinstripe Spider - Spinner ('18)
0.1.0 - Fire YB Brownie - 148g ('18)
0.1.0 - Columbian Red Tail Boa ('18)
0.1.0 - Pastel -1 544g ('15)
0.1.0 - Yellow Belly (rescue) ('13)
0.1.0 - Wild Type ('16)
0.1.0 - Spinner
0.1.0 - Spinner ('18) |
0.0.1 - Pinstripe Spider - Spinner ('17)
0.0.1 - Wild Type (rescue) ('?)
0.1.0 - Dinker ('18)
0.0.1 - Spinner ('17)
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
[QUOTE=Spechal;2624368]I really don’t want to hijack this thread but I also don’t want to miss out on the knowledge you obviously have. What do you make of this girl?
I think it's a beautiful animal. What did the breeder you purchased it from tell you she is? Or if you produced her , who were the Dame and Sire? Otherwise it's like me asking you "what do you make of this boy?"
Jim
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
[QUOTE=JimFoxValleyReptiles;2624384]
Originally Posted by Spechal
I really don’t want to hijack this thread but I also don’t want to miss out on the knowledge you obviously have. What do you make of this girl?
I think it's a beautiful animal. What did the breeder you purchased it from tell you she is? Or if you produced her , who were the Dame and Sire? Otherwise it's like me asking you "what do you make of this boy?"
Jim
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I wish I could tell you, but it was an unintended purchase at a box store being sold off on sale as a normal. I am going to breed her when she gets old enough to see what happens, just looking for some other ideas as others have identified it as a possible phantom or mystic YB. The oranges from your previous post prompted me to ask you. I appreciate you looking but it sounds like I will just have to do more research and pair it with something similar looking or completely different and just never know.
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As of July, 31st, 2018... (I think)
1.0.0 - Albino Pastel Black Pastel Pinstripe -384g ('18)
1.0.0 - Albino Candy - Candino ('17)
1.0.0 - Super Pastel Butter ('18)
1.0.0 - Pastel Calico - 735 ('16)
1.0.0 - Lesser Pastel - 1344g ('16)
1.0.0 - Black Pastel - 1680g ('15)
1.0.0 - Mojave Mystic - Mystic Potion ('16)
1.0.0 - Spotnose Spider
1.0.0 - Black Head ('16) |
0.1.0 - Lesser ('14)
0.1.0 - Orange Dream Pastel Spider - 453g ('17)
0.1.0 - Pied ('17)
0.1.0 - Pastel Black Pastel Spider ('16)
0.1.0 - Hypo Enchi Butter - 310g (‘17)
0.1.0 - Leopard (‘17)
0.1.0 - Orange Ghost ('16)
0.4.0 - Dinker YB ('17/18)
0.1.0 - Pinstripe Spider - Spinner ('18)
0.1.0 - Fire YB Brownie - 148g ('18)
0.1.0 - Columbian Red Tail Boa ('18)
0.1.0 - Pastel -1 544g ('15)
0.1.0 - Yellow Belly (rescue) ('13)
0.1.0 - Wild Type ('16)
0.1.0 - Spinner
0.1.0 - Spinner ('18) |
0.0.1 - Pinstripe Spider - Spinner ('17)
0.0.1 - Wild Type (rescue) ('?)
0.1.0 - Dinker ('18)
0.0.1 - Spinner ('17)
All to probe when I find the time. |
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
I would lean toward Phantom with something else. I don't think Yellow Belly, it might be because of the pics (they never look like our animals) but I'm not seeing the "orange blushing and flames" I would expect on a Yellow Belly. I do have a Leopard Phantom Yellow Belly het Pied girl and the tracks look different, could be because of the Leo. You probably have another gene in there, I do see the Phantom though. Wish I could help.
Jim
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Re: Help identify my first clutch!
Originally Posted by JimFoxValleyReptiles
I would lean toward Phantom with something else. I don't think Yellow Belly, it might be because of the pics (they never look like our animals) but I'm not seeing the "orange blushing and flames" I would expect on a Yellow Belly. I do have a Leopard Phantom Yellow Belly het Pied girl and the tracks look different, could be because of the Leo. You probably have another gene in there, I do see the Phantom though. Wish I could help.
Jim
I was thinking Spark is in the mix. Thank you for your input.
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As of July, 31st, 2018... (I think)
1.0.0 - Albino Pastel Black Pastel Pinstripe -384g ('18)
1.0.0 - Albino Candy - Candino ('17)
1.0.0 - Super Pastel Butter ('18)
1.0.0 - Pastel Calico - 735 ('16)
1.0.0 - Lesser Pastel - 1344g ('16)
1.0.0 - Black Pastel - 1680g ('15)
1.0.0 - Mojave Mystic - Mystic Potion ('16)
1.0.0 - Spotnose Spider
1.0.0 - Black Head ('16) |
0.1.0 - Lesser ('14)
0.1.0 - Orange Dream Pastel Spider - 453g ('17)
0.1.0 - Pied ('17)
0.1.0 - Pastel Black Pastel Spider ('16)
0.1.0 - Hypo Enchi Butter - 310g (‘17)
0.1.0 - Leopard (‘17)
0.1.0 - Orange Ghost ('16)
0.4.0 - Dinker YB ('17/18)
0.1.0 - Pinstripe Spider - Spinner ('18)
0.1.0 - Fire YB Brownie - 148g ('18)
0.1.0 - Columbian Red Tail Boa ('18)
0.1.0 - Pastel -1 544g ('15)
0.1.0 - Yellow Belly (rescue) ('13)
0.1.0 - Wild Type ('16)
0.1.0 - Spinner
0.1.0 - Spinner ('18) |
0.0.1 - Pinstripe Spider - Spinner ('17)
0.0.1 - Wild Type (rescue) ('?)
0.1.0 - Dinker ('18)
0.0.1 - Spinner ('17)
All to probe when I find the time. |
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