Aggressive thrashing when paired

[Seven-Thirty]

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone's ball pythons started thrashing really violently when paired? I put my black widow male (2014) to my normal female (2005) together and within like... 3 minutes, I hear thrashing coming from the tub. Is this normal? Should I be worried? Both the male and the female are thrashing. I tried her with a different male before a few week ago, (Spider Male, 2014) but only she was thrashing. The male is roughly 900grams and the female is around 1300grams at 10 years old, she also been aggressively eating as well.

Thank you for any input!

[PitOnTheProwl]

ReCheck the se of the "female"

[Seven-Thirty]

Did that, no hemipenes XD

[StillBP]

ReCheck the se of the "female"

I will second that motion

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Did that, no hemipenes XD

How efficient are you at popping adults?

I have had that type of reaction before however it is rare but it can happen. I would still recommend that you get your snake sexed by a third party to confirm.

[Seven-Thirty]

I've sexed all 8 of my snakes and the ones who have been sold to me as males had hemipenes and the ones who were sold as females had no hemipenes. I bought her around 2005 from Port Credit Pets back in the day when they still had a retail location. They are respectable breeders in my area and still do reptile shows. There are no hemipenes when I pop her myself but yeah I could be wrong.

In terms of behaviour, they seem like they're fighting to be on top of each other. The female also excreted some white stuff that seems to be around the tub while she's thrashing but I think it's just urate.

[OhhWatALoser]

The reason we are all saying recheck, is because what you are describing sounds exactly like male combat. Either way they should be separated, one of them is going to get hurt or worse. if you are absolutely sure on it not being a male, i would try introducing them later on with much caution.

[Seven-Thirty]

I separated them at the behest of OWaL. I took her out and popped her and this is what is looks like. This is my third time popping her and in my opinion her cloaca area thing is way redder than the rest of my females. Is this cause for concern? I thought it was just because she was older than the rest of them. Any tips on my popping technique is appreciated as well. I want to correct any problems I have/may have with anything.

Thanks

[PitOnTheProwl]

Your pop doesn't look right.
It is easier to roll your thumb on the tail.
I have never been able to explain it but I can show people how to do it in person LoL

[Seven-Thirty]

I figured my technique was off. She's the only one of my snakes I can't seem to pop correctly. Hows this?