Tylan 200

[Rhobbs0223]

I have had a few suggestions to give Tylan 200 to my male with a RI. He has been to the vet but still showing symptoms. It has been a week and a half since his last visit. What experience have you had with giving Tylan? Dose is 1cc per 1000 grams correct? Suggestions on the best way to give?<br/>

[BrianDallek]

What did the vet already do for your snake? What prescription was given to the snake and how long has the snake been on it? You should make your vet aware of anything your going to try with your snake. I wrote a thread where I talked about my experience with Tylan 200. I go into detail later in the thread about finding the correct dosage. The correct dosage is 50mg per KG. If you give me the weight of your snake I can explain the math and the correct dosage. You also are going to need to get some smaller needle. I used a 0.5ml/cc needle. I have access to these cause my wife is a nurse, but you may need to ask your vet for some. There are definitely many things to try before blindly injecting with Tylan, which is why it is important for us to know what has already been done. Feel free to PM me if you want my number to call and chat about it.


Here is the thread:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...the-cure-TYLAN

[Rhobbs0223]

He got five injections of Gentamicin every 3 days. He was also given sulfa-trim orally each night during this course. He seems better just not healed. His first vet visit was on 2/11/15. By the time I asked for a culture the vet said with the medications given it would not be accurate.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

First I will say that no one here is a vet and no one should attempt to play one by recommending a specific antibiotic along with dosage whether it is publically or even privately (which make the recommendations even more risky as no one will be there to contradict the person)

There are different antibiotics for a reason and only a her QUALIFIED vet should be prescribing them.

While some people have had success with Tylan it does not mean that YOU will, Tylan class antibiotic that is effective against gram positive bacteria, this mean the first step is to know what type of RI you are dealing with.

Now was your vet a herp qualified vet? Was a culture performed prior to treatment? What were the results of the culture? What type of antibiotics were prescribed and for how long?

In a lot of cases where RI would not go away it was often due to the fact that oral antibiotic were prescribes which are not effective with snakes or that they were not prescribed for long enough or prescribed without a culture, all which shows the lack of knowledge when it comes to reptiles in general and would lead me to recommend you to find another vet.

[BrianDallek]

First I will say that no one here is a vet and no one should attempt to play one by recommending a specific antibiotic along with dosage whether it is publically or even privately (which make the recommendations even more risky as no one will be there to contradict the person)

There are different antibiotics for a reason and only a her QUALIFIED vet should be prescribing them.

Sorry you misread my post, but at no time did I recommend Tylan. And I did make reference to talking with the vet before moving forward. However I will disagree with you on something. Tylan is an over the counter drug. You do not need a qualified vet to prescribe it. Thousands of farmers give this product to their chickens and pigs regularly to treat RI's. Second the reason I suggested a PM to me was because I don't want to give out my telephone number publicly, not to push Tylan on the OP where nobody can contradict me. The fact is that the old "don't do anything every without a vet...EVER" is played out. It is like telling teenagers not to have sex at all. They are going to, just the same people are going to try things with their snakes without paying a vet, because maybe they can't afford it. Information on all options is important. And like I said thousands of farmers pump Tylan into their livestock, so it really comes down to risk, cost, and personal value of the animal....which is never the same from one person to the next. My vet said that after the Tazicef didn't work her next shot in the dark without a culture would have been Tylan. Now I noticed an immediate improvement in the snake by shot two of the Tylan and in my opinion (not proven) their is limited risk vs. reward at trying it. If I ever recieve another snake with a RI, I most definitely would try Tylan before bringing to my vet. And I can do that because it is my snake and it is an over the counter drug.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Yes tylan is over the counter, yes it is injected in livestock this is commercial farming what commercial farming as it's best , tylan is use to treat and also prevent RI that are due to overcrowding and poor conditions in which livestock is being kept, not to mention the effects of those antibiotics as well as the fact that those animals are not meant to live long anyway, (but that’s another debate and as nothing to do with pets)

Recommending using any antibiotics whether prescribed or not is not the way to go, pumping an animal with antibiotics just because they are cheap, over the counter or both is not gonna help if this is not the right antibiotic which that can only be assessed by a culture.

Antibiotics are not a one fit all, resistance and complications can also arise.

[python_addict]

I had a vet tech recommend it to me, she skyped me through the whole process, I had gone to the vet with my snakes and none of the treatments worked. She had seen some people giving me false information, and quickly corrected them and contacted me. After learning of what could have happened if I had followed their directions I will not be asking people who are not certified to give information like that. They were fellow hobbyists even, who used it and had given it a certain way to their snakes. I would find a vet that you can call and talk to them about it and see what they suggest.
And I cannot tell you if it is working yet because it has only been 3 days for me and nothing has changed in them yet.

[BrianDallek]

Recommending using any antibiotics whether prescribed or not is not the way to go, pumping an animal with antibiotics just because they are cheap, over the counter or both is not gonna help if this is not the right antibiotic which that can only be assessed by a culture.

Antibiotics are not a one fit all, resistance and complications can also arise.

Yet this is exactly what my vet and i'm guessing high percentage of vets do every time a snake with RI comes in. They try the simple cheap solution, baytril or Fortaz, before doing a culture. In an ideal situation a culture would be $10 and done in house with instant results. Unfortunately most Vets charge $80-$100 and have to send the culture to a specialist. I think for this reason they might even send you home with some baytril while waiting for results of the culture. I agree that antibiotics are handed out like candy and I myself was surprised that I could buy Tylan over the counter. Please don't take this as an attack Deborah. I read tons of your posts on here and think you are doing an amazing job helping people and making sure correct information is getting passed along. I think of this issue as more of a difference of opinion and an interesting topic to discuss. I still consulted my vet and I believe everyone should to learn about the options. I wish I could try Tylan on another snake with a RI. Unfortunately the snake I got came with an RI, and I should have known better cause she was just to good of a deal from a random breeder. My husbandry is spot on so I don't see me dealing with this again.

[BrianDallek]

I had a vet tech recommend it to me, she skyped me through the whole process, I had gone to the vet with my snakes and none of the treatments worked. She had seen some people giving me false information, and quickly corrected them and contacted me. After learning of what could have happened if I had followed their directions I will not be asking people who are not certified to give information like that. They were fellow hobbyists even, who used it and had given it a certain way to their snakes. I would find a vet that you can call and talk to them about it and see what they suggest.
And I cannot tell you if it is working yet because it has only been 3 days for me and nothing has changed in them yet.

Please keep us updated! I gave a .05mL shot every three days at the dosage below for my 200gram Ball. Wondering if you are doing similar.

For my 200gram Ball:

Dosage is 50mg per KG...so I need to get my snake 10mg of active solution.

Tylan 200 - active part is 200mg per mL...so since I need 10mg...I need 1/20th of that... 0.05mL of Tylan 200

[artgecko]

This is an interesting thread. I haven't had to take one of my snakes to the vet yet, but am praying that it never happens... There are no exotic experienced vets in my town.. The closest is probably 2.5 hours away. My vet doesn't even know anything about rats, other than what the rmca chart said on drug dosages that I brought with me the last time I had to take my rats in. :/ I would also seriously doubt his opinion on any antibiotics if I did bring a snake in (I would probably have to tell him what herp people normally use and see what he says from there).

If only exotic vets were more common and more affordable, we wouldn't need to know medication dosages, etc.

I actually almost bought a bottle of tylan to use with my rats. I went with oxytetraccyline powder instead, but I may look into keeping a bottle on hand for future RIs (in my rats).