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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Address for written comments is:

    WV Department of Agriculture
    1900 Kanawha Blvd East
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    Genus Eunectes (anacondas)
    All species
    Genus Python (Pythons)
    Burmese (Indian) python (Python molurus)
    North African Rock python (Python sebae)
    South African Rock python (Python natalensis)
    Reticulated python (Broghammerus reticulatus) P. reticulatus
    Genus Morelia
    Amethystine python (Morelia amethystine)
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    These snakes possess venom and/or extreme size and strength and present a threat to humans and
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    this is crazy.


    Order Insectivora (shrews, moles, hedgehogs, etc.)
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    Order Erinaceomorphia (African pygmy hedgehogs)
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    this is also crazy.

    the whole list is just totally over the top. you could open a zoo using only species from the list, and people would not realize that there is something special about the way the animals in the zoo are selected.
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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Wtf...


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    Yeah, nobody's going to follow this piece of garbage law. They're banning cattle, tree frogs, and all turtles? Yeah, they can have fun with that.

    Smh.

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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Congratulations, there's actually a state going above and beyond the restrictions already in place in California.
    Why keep a snake? Why keep any animal? Because you enjoy the animal, find something beautiful and fascinating about it, and it fits seamlessly into your lifestyle.

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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    By the way, that was sarcasm. These restrictions ARE going above and beyond what's in California currently, but that's no cause for congratulations.
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    These snakes possess venom and/or extreme size and strength and present a threat to humans and
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    amethystene python.... yeah right, **** you very much. (i recently got trouble for leaving the first letter intact and following with 3 stars, i hope this works better).
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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Quote Originally Posted by sorraia View Post
    By the way, that was sarcasm. These restrictions ARE going above and beyond what's in California currently, but that's no cause for congratulations.
    Don't worry, I got the sarcasm.

    We have a Facebook group - WV_Reptile Watch - where we're sharing information, talking points, etc. One member got a quote for the liability insurance mandated by the law. She could only find one company that even offers that insurance (Lester Kalmanson Agency in Florida).

    The mandate is for liability coverage of at least $300,000 with a maximum deductible of $250 per incident. The premium she was given was $705 per year... for two sugar gliders.

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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Quote Originally Posted by bcr229 View Post
    Don't worry, I got the sarcasm.

    We have a Facebook group - WV_Reptile Watch - where we're sharing information, talking points, etc. One member got a quote for the liability insurance mandated by the law. She could only find one company that even offers that insurance (Lester Kalmanson Agency in Florida).

    The mandate is for liability coverage of at least $300,000 with a maximum deductible of $250 per incident. The premium she was given was $705 per year... for two sugar gliders.
    I just joined the group to keep tabs on what's going on to combat this nightmare. I have been trying to spread the word here in KY to help raise awareness but no one believes it is real... they think the government wouldn't do such an invasive act. I printed out tons of informational packets but I am not sure what to do because no one wants to speak up.
    I fear this will spread to other states and eventually be proposed as federal if none of the other states stand up for the idiocy that just took place in that law.

    Is there anything we can do to help your state's decision, if we aren't apart of it? I would love to protest, but I don't even know if they would read my letters because I am not a WV resident. If you all have a march or anything please let me know. I may not be a WV resident, but this is cruelty and abuse of power. If people are going to raise up against it, I want to be there. Thanks for providing all this information Bcr229. You are always so helpful and in the know of what's going on in new legislations. I am really sorry you are located in the state they decided to practice test this law against. I hope this gets resolved. Keep us updated <3 I am spreading those packets out around petshops here in KY, today.

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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Quote Originally Posted by Painted View Post
    Is there anything we can do to help your state's decision, if we aren't apart of it? I would love to protest, but I don't even know if they would read my letters because I am not a WV resident.
    Unfortunately the people on the DWA Board are barely acknowledging input from in-state experts; many have been told to sit down and shut up, including a few exotic vets and herpetology professors.

    What I've been doing is trying to spread the word on Facebook and other discussion forums for the exotic species listed, so that folks who keep ferrets, turtles, sugar gliders, fish, rabbits, etc. are aware of what's going on. Many had no idea as it's only being reported in one newspaper that the public comment period is open. I put a LTE in my local paper about it.

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