Pastel Butter x Spider (Maternal Incubation)

[meowmeowkazoo]

Thanks everyone. I went to check back on Charlotte and she had the eggs fully covered again, but looked interested in more food. I think I will try offering every 5 days or so, just small single meals. Next time I should have some rat pups that are roughly the right size. She doesn't usually take rats, but she might right now.

[BHReptiles]

Now is the perfect time to try rats! I hope she takes one for you.

[meowmeowkazoo]

Today marks the two week point for the eggs. Only 7-8 weeks to go.

[Mr. Misha]

Very cool. Don't worry, this time will fly by quick. Glad to see she's doing well.

Has she been lying on the eggs all this time or has she abandoned them for a little bit to slither around?

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[meowmeowkazoo]

Very cool. Don't worry, this time will fly by quick. Glad to see she's doing well.

Has she been lying on the eggs all this time or has she abandoned them for a little bit to slither around?

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She's always been on the eggs. She partially uncoils to cool them or to kill/eat food, but even then she has them wrapped. Granted she's just in a 41 quart, but she shows no inclination to leave the eggs at all.

[RuGGeR]

FWIW, all of our females maternally incubate, and we heat our room to 85F with no supplemental heat. So I don't think the 85-86 temp is cause for concern. In addition to moving the eggs, females are capable of raising the temps slightly by themselves through thermogenesis (basically, females use muscle twitching to generate heat). If she feels like the eggs need to be warmer, she can get them there. And you are right, females will loosen their coils if they want to drop the temp of the nest. We had a/c unit go out once, and our room hit 87-88 while we were fixing it (only for a short time). All of our females loosened up or left the nest altogether. Once the temps dropped, they all went back to normal.

I am really interested in his maternal incubation & it seem to me that u have the most experience... Do u have pictures & Info's where u can educate us more on this.... Maybe start a new thread....? I am very sure lots are interested in this...


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[Alicia]

This is an awesome thread, love it! So looking forward to the updates

Yeah, I've also seen a lot of conflicting information. Part of the reason I am doing maternal incubation myself. I think it's important to contribute as much accurate information as possible.

I've just been using a temp gun on the female herself, which seems fairly accurate. When the eggs are showing they seem to show the same temperature her body is at.

I know this is kinda late, but on female ball pythons raising the temperature of their broods . . . I think, maybe they can. Most if not all of the carpet subspecies can, so can a few (most?) other pythons. (Actually, I've never seen literally suggestions diamonds specifically can't, and am pretty curious who wrote that?)

I went MI last year with a retained sperm clutch I hadn't planned on, enjoyed the heck out of it, and will do it again. Last summer was very cool here. Temps in my studio, where the snakes are, frequently dipped to the low 70s and upper 60s. I had to grab my notes for this, but on June 12th, the lowest temperature recorded in the room was 67 degrees. The ambient temperature in the cage was 72, with a reading of 75 closer to the nest. Dahlia never let the probe stay with the eggs, so I don't know what temperature they were actually experience. This was Day 10. Granted, she nested half on, half off, her heat source. The eggs still began pipping 63 days, which is what I get in the incubator.

So, I dunno. Figured it wouldn't hurt to throw that out there.

[RuGGeR]

This is an awesome thread, love it! So looking forward to the updates




I know this is kinda late, but on female ball pythons raising the temperature of their broods . . . I think, maybe they can. Most if not all of the carpet subspecies can, so can a few (most?) other pythons. (Actually, I've never seen literally suggestions diamonds specifically can't, and am pretty curious who wrote that?)

I went MI last year with a retained sperm clutch I hadn't planned on, enjoyed the heck out of it, and will do it again. Last summer was very cool here. Temps in my studio, where the snakes are, frequently dipped to the low 70s and upper 60s. I had to grab my notes for this, but on June 12th, the lowest temperature recorded in the room was 67 degrees. The ambient temperature in the cage was 72, with a reading of 75 closer to the nest. Dahlia never let the probe stay with the eggs, so I don't know what temperature they were actually experience. This was Day 10. Granted, she nested half on, half off, her heat source. The eggs still began pipping 63 days, which is what I get in the incubator.

So, I dunno. Figured it wouldn't hurt to throw that out there.

What substrate were u using? And how high humidity did u aim for?


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[Alicia]

What substrate were u using? And how high humidity did u aim for?


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Mix of sphagnum moss and cypress mulch, the nest was all sphagnum (she pushed it all aside, anyway). Followed the advice in Quiet Tempest's sticky and aimed for a RH >70% . . . It ended up being around 75-77% for most of the incubation.

[RuGGeR]

How bout cleaning? When they continue to feed, they continue to poo.... No cleaning?


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