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    Exclamation Blood In Pain, Having Seizure, Help Please

    My blood that ive been having problems getting to eat has been moved from her tub to a tank so i can monitor her temps and humidity but i dont think its helping. She has lost over 50 grams (150 to 96) since when I got her and still wont eat. An RI is apparent and I tried a home remedy which didnt seem to work. She often opens her mouth and moves her head back strangely and I just witnessed her thrashing around like a seizure. I feel so bad because I think she is in pain, I am taking her to a vet first thing tomorrow does anyone have experience with this?

    Also, I dont want to sound cryptic or unwilling to help/pay but it seems she is doing very poor and i am not sure a $200 vet visit is worth it if she is so sick she wont even make it through winter.

    I am willing to do whatever it takes for my baby please help, thanks
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    The thrashing is a bad sign. Possible neuro damage or something, that's the only time (other than breeding) in which I ever hear about that as a symptom.

    Can you give us more info on your husbandry? temps, humidity, when the ri started, how long you've had her, where you got her from?
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    Re: Blood In Pain, Having Seizure, Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
    The thrashing is a bad sign. Possible neuro damage or something, that's the only time (other than breeding) in which I ever hear about that as a symptom.

    Can you give us more info on your husbandry? temps, humidity, when the ri started, how long you've had her, where you got her from?
    Tank stays at 82-84 (drops to around 77 at night) and i keep humidity about 60-80%. I noticed the RI symptoms 2 or 3 weeks ago. Ive had her about a month and I got her at an expo from Outback Reptiles
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    Re: Blood In Pain, Having Seizure, Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by Eazyyyb View Post
    Ive had her about a month and I got her at an expo from Outback Reptiles
    I'm sorry for your loss.

    I found the post where you said you bought her, looks like it was the first weekend in January. I wish you'd mentioned then who the vendor was - I would have told you to take her straight to the vet at the first sign of the RI, and not to screw around with home remedies. Outback deals with a lot of imports, WC stock, etc. which may be why she was so cheap.

    Don't get me wrong, they sell a lot of nice stuff and I would love to put my CC into meltdown at their facility, but I understand up front that due to their business model there's a higher risk of getting an animal that will require a vet visit.

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    Any particular reason you're keeping temps low? Everything that I've read on bloods says a steady 85-90* is ideal. (I also don't have bloods so I can't officially attest, but hopefully one of the blood buffs will stop by.)
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    They need a hotspot of 90 with a gradient that doesn't go below 75, much like BPs. They're a tropical snake. Hopefully bumping temps will knock out the RI and get her eating once that's healed, although don't decline antibiotics if the vet will give them tomorrow. Bring humidity down just a couple notches too while she's recovering, unless she goes into a shed cycle. Just make sure she constantly has a large enough water bowl in case she wants to soak.

    When did you drop temps, before or after her RI started/eating stopped?
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    Re: Blood In Pain, Having Seizure, Help Please

    90 is way too hot. Tracey Barker at VPI keeps her Bloods at 80 degrees year round. No hot spot. She keeps her room 80 degrees and thats it. Most well known Blood breeder out there.
    Bloods like it cooler. 80-83 is all they need.

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    Re: Blood In Pain, Having Seizure, Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by bloodluv View Post
    90 is way too hot. Tracey Barker at VPI keeps her Bloods at 80 degrees year round. No hot spot. She keeps her room 80 degrees and thats it. Most well known Blood breeder out there.
    Bloods like it cooler. 80-83 is all they need.
    This is spot on I keep my room at 81-80 no hot spot no other heating. Also keep my ball python same way. All in great shape.

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    I am very saddened to say she just had another seizure and seems to have passed away I feel terrible I should have seeked vet help sooner
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    Re: Blood In Pain, Having Seizure, Help Please

    Sorry to hear it didn't make it.

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