What are Pieds? (Jinx)

[paulh]

Well I would just like to say that incomplete dominance is the dominant allele incompletely dominating the recessive allele to create a blending effect. If the pied is considered a codominant, then it's not incomplete dominant because it possesses the dominant allele. That is codominance not incomplete dominance, but it's a common belief.

Here's the problem with the above definition: which allele is dominant and which is recessive? A better definition is two alleles that produce a blending effect in the phenotype. That is shorter and avoids the problem.

Actually, for breeders, codominance and incomplete dominance are synonyms. I prefer "codominance" simply because it has 11 letters to type. "Incomplete dominance" has 20.

[4theSNAKElady]

Again, im no geneticist but is there such a thing as "incomplete recessive"? Just curious...

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[4theSNAKElady]

Also, someone....has still not shown how you can tell albino hets from normals for me.

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[snakesRkewl]

Also, someone....has still not shown how you can tell albino hets from normals for me.

I have shown at least one example of their markers somewhere on bp.net.

Het albino is not visual enough for me to look at an unknown snake and say "that's a het albino" with any certainty, but in a clutch situation I have no doubt I could pull out real hets from non hets.

[charlene.payne]

Here Jerry. Page 3 on the following link has some pictures of het albino markers.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-markers/page3

[4theSNAKElady]

Its good info, but i still dont believe its that useful, because unless ur looking at a whole clutch for comparison and know EXACTLY what to look for, those het albinos look to me just like any other normal. I wouldnt ever take a chance on a het albino based on those "markers". Plus, the "marker" is soooo subtle, that youd have a zillion newbs questioning whether or not their normals are het albinos....almost the same thing with YBs. IMO, its way more confusing than helpful. When it comes to albino genes, id rather just plain ol get an albino, or the document guaranteeing the genetics.

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[charlene.payne]

I just posted that for Jerry. I don't know if those are clutchmates. I will have several clutches hatching out this season where I will be able to show clutchmates...but that is still a few months away

[charlene.payne]

First girl ovulated about a week ago

Het Albino female bred to pastave het hypo, stinger het hypo, and albino pinstripe

I have three other Het Albino females that have been breeding to my albino pinstripe. I'll keep you updated and try to get you pictures.

[4theSNAKElady]

Thanks Charlene! We all know on here useful info is HELPFUL info!

[snakesRkewl]

Its good info, but i still dont believe its that useful, because unless ur looking at a whole clutch for comparison and know EXACTLY what to look for, those het albinos look to me just like any other normal. I wouldnt ever take a chance on a het albino based on those "markers". Plus, the "marker" is soooo subtle, that youd have a zillion newbs questioning whether or not their normals are het albinos....

I agree that het albino markers should only be used in a clutch situation to pick out hets from non hets,
but the markers are always there on a 100% het.

almost the same thing with YBs. IMO, its way more confusing than helpful.

yb het clowns are so obvious that if you put a group of 50 yellowbellys and included 5 yb het clowns in that group it would be very easy to pull the yb hets out.

I still believe that most people have a hard enough time picking out hets in a clutch situation
that they shouldn't be trying to do it with an unknown snake.

Recessed instead of recessive maybe? or low visual incomplete dom, we can call it whatever but it doesn't change the fact that markers are real and that so called recessive traits are not so recessive after all.