What Do You Make of These Ball Pythons??? - Morph???

[milo45]

i dont see bee in the 3rd pic maybe pastel

I think also pastel on this one.....is the crazy patterns on the 1st 2......??? spots and stripes?

[The Serpent Merchant]

i dont see bee in the 3rd pic maybe pastel

I'd say that the 3rd pic is different enough from the 1st 2 to say that something else is going on, and it certainly looks like classic spider banding to me.

There is something in this clutch that is really messing with the appearances of these snakes, none of them truly conform to anything I've seen.

[JaGv]

I think also pastel on this one.....is the crazy patterns on the 1st 2......??? spots and stripes?

you said you put a male pastel in there too right? what does he look like? what are the genders of the two spoted ones?

[milo45]

I'd say that the 3rd pic is different enough from the 1st 2 to say that something else is going on, and it certainly looks like classic spider banding to me.

There is something in this clutch that is really messing with the appearances of these snakes, none of them truly conform to anything I've seen.

This is what I think......never seen anything like them and the clutch so different as you say. There is 1 more baby but is a traditional normal. I just dont know what to think??? with the short noses and slightly undershot jaw, am unsure if this "normal" and bee are compatible and whether to go in this direction again.??? thoughts?

[RobNJ]

I think also pastel on this one.....is the crazy patterns on the 1st 2......??? spots and stripes?

You're thinking right on the pastel...and yeah, the first 2 are crazy looking...I'd definitely be repeating the same pairing next year and keeping the babies.

I'd say that the 3rd pic is different enough from the 1st 2 to say that something else is going on, and it certainly looks like classic spider banding to me.

3rd one has no spider in it...

[Solarsoldier001]

Omg how cool is that. It's a polka dotted ball python! I like them all. But the first one is super cool. I think all the first three look pastel is in them to me. That's just my thoughts though.


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[Solarsoldier001]

3rd one has no spider in it...

I thought so too



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[milo45]

So do you guys think, if these are bred again next year and assuming the bee is the Sire, and this happens again, could this be a new pastel morph???
There was 1 more baby, it was HUGE! didnt get out of the egg in time and died. It was also totally awesome! It was so clean and had huge stripe about 2/3rds of body, no markings on last third of body and had spots...wish i took a picture, but didnt at the time......was so gutted

You all think the bee is the Sire and not a pastel???

[RobNJ]

You all think the bee is the Sire and not a pastel???

Could be the bee, could be the pastel, could be a split clutch...5 babies with no spiders at all, though entirely possible, wouldn't give me much confidence that the bee sired the clutch alone.

Can you post a pic of the pastel male that you paired with the female?

[JaGv]

So do you guys think, if these are bred again next year and assuming the bee is the Sire, and this happens again, could this be a new pastel morph???
There was 1 more baby, it was HUGE! didnt get out of the egg in time and died. It was also totally awesome! It was so clean and had huge stripe about 2/3rds of body, no markings on last third of body and had spots...wish i took a picture, but didnt at the time......was so gutted

You all think the bee is the Sire and not a pastel???

i would ask an expert breeder to see if its a new pastel morph. and as for repeating the breeding i wouldn't know if it was the bee that sired the clutch it has pastel too. but i would repeat the same breeding both males to the female.. unless you want to breed just the bee and then pastel next time to see what pairing makes those crazy babies.