I think I got lied to...help ID'ing our baby

[KMG]

So what came of this? Is the breeder making it right?

[C2cwith3]

It is still a work in progress. She is defending her ground that she is a jungle pastel. Stating that since she's a "jungle" she is different from a regular pastel. She originally showed us one of her normals and ours was lighter. She also pointed out that her head is lighter. But, she will take her back if we decide not to keep her. She has sent me several links to other pastels on the internet, but I'm not convinced. I am having a knowledgeable person look at her tomorrow to help me out. She also mentioned that she works with a local breeder who confirmed that her being a pastel, so she is going to give me his info so I can speak to him.

I don't see the blushing that she should have, nor the faded dark areas on her body. She does have a golden upper eye, but the rest is dark.

So, now I am trying to decide if she is a spectacular looking normal, an odd looking normal, a normal normal, or a low quality normal. My 14 yr old would like to breed her further down the line...so we would like to start out right.

Thank you for checking back in on us!

[AK907]

Absolutely not a pastel! Not even a poor quality pastel. Don't let her play you for a fool!

[Chuckels]

I'd put my entire collection and yearly salary on it, she's a normal. A gorgeous one, but only a normal. She may be het for something or whatnot, I don't know. Pastels are unmistakable in my opinion, the eyes give it away.

Trey

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[ductai36]

100% normal, also pastels have green eyes. If they cant id a pastel I would question the sex as well. Find an expereiced breeder and check.

[WingedWolfPsion]

She is absolutely, positively, no question about it at all, NOT a pastel.

She does have a bit of a jungle pattern, but nothing too unusual. Jungles (in the absence of the pastel gene), aren't generally genetic at all. Jungle just means that the pattern is irregular and atypical.

ALL pastels are jungles. The original name of the morph was 'pastel jungle'. There's no such thing as a pastel that isn't a jungle.

If you paid a pastel price for this animal, demand your money back. The breeder is committing fraud. I do not believe that even a first time breeder who hatched out a clutch containing pastels and normals, could not tell them apart. When you see them side by side, the differences are absolutely obvious.

Don't let this person keep you dangling any longer, or get an 'expert' to look at her, or any other nonsense. She does not look even slightly like a pastel, and there has not been a mistake.

[snake8myelbo]

Bottom line get your money back and return the snake!

[DooLittle]

That is a pretty normal. Normals still come in all shades and patterns. If you like her, keep her, but only at a normals price, not a pastels.

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[angllady2]

There is no way on earth that is a pastel. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

This breeder may be trying to hide behind ignorance, but I promise you my entire collection it is not a pastel. Not a Jungle Pastel, not a Lemon Pastel, not a plain old Pastel, not any kind of Pastel.

If you like it then keep it, but you better get a partial refund.

Gale

[sho220]

Did you do any research or look at pics of other Pastels before purchasing her? I don't understand how anyone could pass that snake off as a Pastel??? Not trying to be mean, just curious. And, if you don't mind, what did you pay for her? And would you mind telling us who the "breeder" is?