Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)

[JLC]

"Psssst, hey 'Foot," Cera whispered to Littlefoot. "I need to catch some rays. You seen that crazy man with the camera around anywhere?"

"Nah, girl, you're good." Littlefoot gave her a knowing wink and a flick of his tail. "You go on and lay out. I got yer back."

I'm really enjoying living vicariously through your pics and vids. It's like they are their own reality show.

[JLC]

PS -- You know you're a herper when you read this quote....

My apologies for the ones that are not so sharp, Zoomed shots taken from far away.

...and your brain immediately wonders when Zoo Med started making cameras.

[infernalis]

PS -- You know you're a herper when you read this quote....



...and your brain immediately wonders when Zoo Med started making cameras.

You know you're a herper when you see things on the side of the road and immediately wonder if you can use it in a reptile cage...

[infernalis]

[infernalis]

Got some more today....

[infernalis]

[MMReptiles]

Here we are, feeding the most fatty form of a rodent to a savannah monitor.

Come on Wayne, I figured even you would have learned something.

[infernalis]

Here we are, feeding the most fatty form of a rodent to a savannah monitor.

Come on Wayne, I figured even you would have learned something.

Is this the part where you tell me the world's leading Monitor experts are all wrong? (Bennett, Kirshner, Thakoordyal, Balsai, etc..)

Before we get too carried away, Their PRIMARY diet is roaches, crickets, worms & slugs. So far in the 7 weeks I have owned them each lizard has ate exactly 4 pinks each.

Monitors & Mice, The Myth Dispelled

I posted this elsewhere but I think it's highly relevant

"sure savs eat rodents in the wild, i agree savs are oportuntic feeders" "captive savannah monitors should not be fed rodents."

Savannah monitors aren't opportunistic feeders in the wild. They are after very specific types of prey and none of them are rodents. I think that's because they couldn't compete with all the other animals that are feeding on rodents; if they come across small enough rodents of course they will eat them but the search patterns they use turn up a rather narrow range of invertebrates, snails, and frogs with the odd reptile egg and that's what is in their guts almost all of the time. Of course the range of the species is very wide and our sample sizes are very small, but so far its feeding ecology looks rather specialised compared to opportunistic monitor species.

I think that you can recognise, or define, opportunistic monitors in the wild, by seeing if they are attracted to rotten carrion. If you try to bait monitor lizards with carrion in Africa you will get niloticus but you will not get exanthematicus. If you did it in Malaysia you would get biawaks and bengalensis but you would not get rudicollis and you probably wouldn't get dumerilii either. If you did in the Philippines you would only get biawaks. It's a useful definition because it's a very easy test. I'd guess that if you did it in Indonesia you wouldn't get prasinus type animals and you have some surprise non shows amongst the others.

What do we know about the natural diets of these monitors that can't be attracted with bait? Of course their range is wide and our sample sizes are very small but they seem to have very tight dietary niches compared to their opportunistic counterparts. There's a conspicuous lack of what I would call snake food.

Incidentally; these non carrion eating monitor lizards tend to perform poorly in captivity, especially the ones that live in wet forests. In contrast the carrion eaters are generally considered quite easy to breed.

How such idle speculation can be applied to the feeding of monitor lizards in boxes is uncertain, because all monitor lizards that can be bred in boxes will apparently thrive for indefinite generations on a diet of rodents and invertebrates. There's (almost?) no documented evidence of generations of captive monitors raised without rodents, but for many years now people have been banging on about how vital it is to omit rodents from the diets of savannah monitor lizards in particular. Why could that be?

David H. Good 1998, REPTILE magazine. Misunderstanding the Savannah Monitor: An Argument for Changed Husbandry.

This junk article was based on a talk the author had heard, but apparently entirely failed to comprehend, about wild savannah monitors. The talk was at the only monitor lizard conference that has ever been held in the USA, in San Diego. David Good spectacularly got every single detail in his article wrong, and the only thing he remembered correctly was that no rodents had been found in the diet of savannah monitors. He used this to suggest a rethink of savannah monitor husbandry that should have landed him in prison. Ever since it's been regularly rehashed by generations of monitor keepers who have spectacularly failed to breed their lizards. "They need a natural diet in captivity", what utter nonsense.

What David Good should have done was listen to another talk on the same day by a man nobody in the monitor lizard world had ever heard of. I can honestly say that nobody I knew in that room believed a word of it at the time, but it sparked a complete revolution in the way monitor lizards were kept. More importantly, it introduced a completely different philosophy to the husbandry of captives; that captive conditions should improve on natural conditions rather than replicate them. In nature monitor lizards are constrained by limited heat, water, food and shelters. By removing these constraints he claimed monitor lizards would grow at phenomenal rates and become fecund beyond all expectations. When members of the audience objected to basking temperatures so high they could easily kill the lizards, he claimed that the monitors sought such heat out of their own free will.

"so why would you not just try your best to give it as close to the natural living conditions as posible with out argument? sounds like kinda a crazy argument ?" Not really, because natural conditions are harsh and it's just possible that savannah monitors actually prefer rodents to milipedes.

Anybody who has read to the end of this ramble deserves a nice picture

[MMReptiles]

Sure, I would agree they are opportunistic. That being said, I could see an adult/larger sav eating the occasional mouse/baby mouse, but a baby sav eating a baby mouse is highly unlikely.

Regardless of the research behind it, why would you offer such a fatty food to a BABY, when lets face it. The animal DOESN'T need it.

[infernalis]

Sure, I would agree they are opportunistic. That being said, I could see an adult/larger sav eating the occasional mouse/baby mouse, but a baby sav eating a baby mouse is highly unlikely.

Regardless of the research behind it, why would you offer such a fatty food to a BABY, when lets face it. The animal DOESN'T need it.

Just a little insight, those pinks fattened up the lizards for all of 12 hours, with a nice hot cage digestion is so rapid that they were hungry again the next morning.

Now a little science nugget, These animals gather critical moisture from the food they eat, opportunities to drink are far and few between in Ghana, the rainy season is only a few weeks long.

Their physiology is such that their bodies absorb water from the food they eat, then they go down their burrows and conserve that water.

It has been proven that "soaking" does not hydrate them, and quite honestly, mine do not seem to care much about their water bowl at all.

To be honest, if I was shoving pinkies in their face all the time, I would gladly accept any criticism, but if you look at that entire group of photos, you will see a healthy mix of inverts there, and only a couple pinks.

It has been unanimously decided that improper housing is the culprit as to why so many Savs perish, and not the occasional rodent.