I Want To Buy A Yellow Anaconda

[JLC]

Close the thread mod.

Thanks...but we'll work the site as we choose to, not as we're told to by members.

Warnings are just that...a simple warning. No harm, no foul...to quote someone. There is no points involved...no penalties levied against a member who receives a warning. All it is is a reminder that there are certain rules in place that must be followed. Why is that SO offensive to some? Beats me.

We'll continue to run the site as we believe best. There are lots of other sites out there that might be a better fit if folks think we are too overbearing.

[SnakeKB]

Being the member that opened the thread, id appreciate it to be closed and deleted if possible because its become a waste of space in the Anaconda section. The first page of posts were usefull and now its so far off topic its not even needed anymore.

[JLC]

Being the member that opened the thread, id appreciate it to be closed and deleted if possible because its become a waste of space in the Anaconda section. The first page of posts were usefull and now its so far off topic its not even needed anymore.

And being an owner of the site, I'd appreciate it if the thread stays open and available as an example of how NOT to behave around here. It did, indeed, stray off topic...but that only happened when members started whining about zero point warnings.

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

I like this thread lots
JLC is our god here. lol If you dont like it...



She will smite you.

[Neal]

That is not gonna happen, there are rules and if the rules are broken and they were in this case (whether YOU agree or not) we will do our job (whether YOU like it or not) and warn or infract accordingly to enforce the TOS YOU agreed upon registering.

Posting here is a privilege not a right again there are rules in place and they are the same for everyone.

Another reminder



Giving details of an available animal including a possible asking price is considered advertising and this type of thing needs to be done directly through PM or need to be posted in the appropriate area.

Please read exactly what you said and I will underline the key part here. The animal is not for sale, I said I may be selling it, I never said it was for sale, so therefore it is not available. So care to remove my warning? I bet not? Who want's to bet on it though or is fake betting considered gambling now?

Everybody who knows me knows I buck up to the rules, only really the stupid one that are ignorantly enforced(This can be an infraction for mod slandering I guess, even though I've not mentioned anything about mods, but it seems that people do what they want on the site). If I'm at fault, then by all means correct me, but if you people keep warning and infracting like you are then you're going to end up killing the site. Because of this is why I've ever failed to donate to the site. Read your own rules before you infract somebody for not doing something that you've infracted them for.

Edit(To Judy):
I know a warning is harmless and doesn't give points and really I could careless about it really cause it's not going to hurt my feelings as I could always make a new user name if that were the case, it's the basic concept of getting accused of something you're not doing.

Example:
You get arrested and spend a night in jail, because you were falsely accused of something, but you didn't have to pay any fines or anything? No harm right? Wrong, I've seen people get fired for that. To me it doesn't matter if it was worth 0 points or 700 points, it's the fact that I was warned for selling, when I wasn't trying to sell.

I simply stated:
I may be getting rid of my Yellow Anaconda in the future because of maybe getting an off-shore job but I am only going to get rid of her to somebody local like Void(being he lives in Louisiana) and if I did sell her I wouldn't be asking for much maybe like $50 for her + the tank.

I never once said: Void do you want to buy my anaconda for $50?

I was generally speaking which I've seen done many of times, but yet I get warned? I mean seriously? Yes, because of this warning I will be hot headed until it's removed, because it was unjust. Hopefully nobody edit's my post because I will repost it. Just a heads up to anybody who is thinking about editing/removing my post so that way I can get whatever punishment I receive for trying to get my original warning removed.

[dr del]

Hi,

Appealing it in all honesty is pointless.

That's not really true - when anyone appeals against a decision it will be discussed and reconsidered among the staff. Even if all the staff were involved in the decision that led to the infraction/ warning in the first place.

I know some people won't believe me but we take the idea of fairness quite seriously in these situations.

The warning I received was for trying to sell a snake which I wasn't trying to sell. I can appeal it but it won't do any good because it won't get removed.

Actually the warning you recieved was for "sales discussions outside of the for sale/wanted/ trade section"

I'm pretty certain of that as I wrote it and just went and double checked.

I'm all for taking the hit if you're at fault and I've been at fault in the past and when infracted I didn't say anything but I also don't believe in getting infracted because I was talking about that I may sell my anaconda that I wasn't sure yet. Re-read my original post and tell me where I actually stated it was for sale for sure. I stated a price that I would sell it for if I decided to sell it, and I even told him that we could talk about it further if and when I do decide to sell it in PMs. So I feel I was received the warning unjust but if I appeal it, it won't do any good. I know it's just a warning, but it's still a point I'm trying to make.

Ok, explain to me how a description of an item that may be for sale, a price it would be for sale for and an invitation to contact you does not constitute a sales discussion?

If it had been an animal you were looking for and you included the same info it would have recieved exactly the same warning - as would an adoption seeking post. You have been here long enough to know that or at least notice there are no posts like the one you made in the open forums.

This is not a new policy or anything - it was in place long before you joined the site.


dr del

[Neal]

Hi,



That's not really true - when anyone appeals against a decision it will be discussed and reconsidered among the staff. Even if all the staff were involved in the decision that led to the infraction/ warning in the first place.

I know some people won't believe me but we take the idea of fairness quite seriously in these situations.



Actually the warning you recieved was for "sales discussions outside of the for sale/wanted/ trade section"

I'm pretty certain of that as I wrote it and just went and double checked.



Ok, explain to me how a description of an item that may be for sale, a price it would be for sale for and an invitation to contact you does not constitute a sales discussion?

If it had been an animal you were looking for and you included the same info it would have recieved exactly the same warning - as would an adoption seeking post. You have been here long enough to know that or at least notice there are no posts like the one you made in the open forums.

This is not a new policy or anything - it was in place long before you joined the site.


dr del

I see people talking about sales all the time outside of the sales section, when people talk about selling stuff at shows for example. I've seen it done quite a few times and they were never warned or infracted.

Yes you infracted me for talking about sales discussion, when I wasn't even talking about it, I was generally speaking that I may be getting rid of my YA I wasn't actually saying I'm selling it now. Receiving a warning for what I said was seriously taking the rules to a whole new level. I didn't even have intent to sell, as I stated above I simply said that I "may" key word being may be selling my YA.

[dr del]

**Sigh**

Please read exactly what you said and I will underline the key part here. The animal is not for sale, I said I may be selling it, I never said it was for sale, so therefore it is not available. So care to remove my warning? I bet not? Who want's to bet on it though or is fake betting considered gambling now?

Does that mean they put fake betting on kids sites - or is it still treated in some way as gambling under those kinds of rules?

But I know you posted this while I was writing my above post and I think it already covers the grounds mentioned in this.

Everybody who knows me knows I buck up to the rules, only really the stupid one that are ignorantly enforced(This can be an infraction for mod slandering I guess, even though I've not mentioned anything about mods, but it seems that people do what they want on the site). If I'm at fault, then by all means correct me, but if you people keep warning and infracting like you are then you're going to end up killing the site. Because of this is why I've ever failed to donate to the site. Read your own rules before you infract somebody for not doing something that you've infracted them for.

Sorry to tell you but you aren't the one who gets to decide which rules are important on this site.

You think this one is stupid apparently while we know it is a major part in keeping all the spammers off the boards and the other advertising rules it allows keep a lot of the seasonal flippers and snake ad spammers off the site. Or, if they still persist, it lets us control the amount of picture threads they can put up with "oh by the way it's for sale at the moment" tacked onto the bottom.

This is actually what lets us keep the focus of the site on helping new owners rather than selling snakes.

You speak as though we set out to target people to fill an infraction quota or some other idiocy - if you don't break the rules then you won't recieve any warnings or infractions. It really is that simple.

Far from killing the site the way it is moderated is what is keeping it not only healthy but growing.

The rules are clearly posted on the site and if you can't be bothered to read or follow them then that is, frankly, your problem not ours. We did read them, we understood them, we enforced them.

Oh and nobody is forced into helping support the site - and if you don't like it then that is a fair enough reason not to. But we are not going to change the rules that protect the sites look and feel in the hopes you will contribute.


dr del

[Neal]

I know I don't decide which rules get enforced because it seems that some of you do what you want and enforce what you want, but you obviously didn't read the rules yourself, I could pinpoint two parts of the rules that go against what you warned me for.

The last thing I hate to do is to bring a issue with anybody, being that I like you dr del, but here:

14. No advertising outside of designated area without Administrator approval. “Designated area” is the For Sale/Trade/Adoption/Wanted Forum, and is free for our members limited use. All goods, services, or animals advertised in these spaces must be the property of and in possession of the member posting. Administrators reserve the right to pull any ads deemed to fall outside of our Family Friendly parameters or that may constitute a legal liability for the site. Rules for Advertising --- One exception to this rule: Posts or threads made for or by NatPet, USARK, or PIJAC for the purpose of drawing attention to or soliciting help for their cause will be allowed to remain. The work they do is critical for the survival of our hobby and thereby this site as well.

It says advertising, and I wasn't advertising, so that's #1.

Now:

7. Any advertising done outside the designated areas will be deleted without notice. Any advertising done within the areas but outside of these rules will also be deleted, but notice may or may not be sent, depending on the circumstances. --- One exception to this rule: Posts or threads made for or by NatPet, USARK, or PIJAC for the purpose of drawing attention to or soliciting help for their cause will be allowed to remain. The work they do is critical for the survival of our hobby and thereby this site as well.

Again, I was not advertising a sale which is #1, and #2 I don't see anywhere in that text that it says you will be warned or infracted. So that's #2. I mean you could of just removed my post or even edited it, but you choose to go on a power trip. That's my whole issue here, well that and I wasn't warned for a rule I never broke.


Edit:
Like I originally said though it's no point to argue because of course the rest of the staff is going to take your back, and it's not like you can't do what you want, but oh well. Just a quick question that I'm curious about, how many points until you get banned and when I get banned, I have a long lost friend that I recently found, so if I'm banned, he can still make an account right? I just wanted to get clarification on this rule prior to me getting banned.

[dr del]

Hi,

I see people talking about sales all the time outside of the sales section, when people talk about selling stuff at shows for example. I've seen it done quite a few times and they were never warned or infracted.

Yes you infracted me for talking about sales discussion, when I wasn't even talking about it, I was generally speaking that I may be getting rid of my YA I wasn't actually saying I'm selling it now. Receiving a warning for what I said was seriously taking the rules to a whole new level. I didn't even have intent to sell, as I stated above I simply said that I "may" key word being may be selling my YA.

Then they avoided crossing some line that you did not. Probably by not mentioning the price they would be asking. Or perhaps by being vague where you were specific. Maybe they left room for interpretation where you left not one jot of wiggle room.

And, please, generally speaking about something, by definition, lacks detail - you had every detail in there from its size, sex, temperament, handling, age, enclosure and price.

And as to your "I didn't even have intent to sell" you ended with the line "I haven't officially put her for sale yet though."

And how about this line "I was just putting it in here in case a person who's familiar with Yellows is looking for one"

How exactly do you think you are innocent in this? If you were faced with this argument at your work how would you judge it if you looked at it dispassionately?

Seriously?


dr del