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[Skiploder]

All colubrids will rattle their tails as its a defensive behavior that most grow out of once older. If not mistaken they are not rear fanged at all, as rear fanged are considered semi venomous snakes and pines are not. They do have teeth just their not large, but will draw blood.

Pine snakes can be very aggressive when younger but with time and settle in period they can get better over time.

Hmmm. I have many, many colubrids and most of them rattle their tails as adults.

There is no such thing as semi venomous. You either are or you aren't. Pits aren't. Most species of colubrids, whether rear fanged or not - are.

[RichsBallPythons]

A hognose is a colubrid........

They are different class of cloubrid. Wasnt meaning to say they arent completely because they are rear fanged with venom as to colubrids we all know are not. There for are a TYPE of cloubrid

I call them semi venmous due to thier not potent enough to kill . I have been bitten by one western Hog and didnt get a single reaction.

[RichsBallPythons]

Hmmm. I have many, many colubrids and most of them rattle their tails as adults.

There is no such thing as semi venomous. You either are or you aren't. Pits aren't. Most species of colubrids, whether rear fanged or not - are.

Keyword MOST not ALL

[Skiploder]

They are different class of cloubrid. Wasnt meaning to say they arent completely because they are rear fanged with venom as to colubrids we all know are not. There for are a TYPE of cloubrid

Come again?

Yes they are in a different subfamily and genus of colubrid.

I can't make heads or tails of the rest of your post - can you re-phrase it?

[RichsBallPythons]

Come again?

Yes they are in a different subfamily and genus of colubrid.

I can't make heads or tails of the rest of your post - can you re-phrase it?

Thats the jest of what i was saying. They are a subfamily of colubrids but i dont consider them colubrids due to the venom. Out of the hundreds of colubrids i have had not one was venomous or rear fanged, which is why i dont classify hoggs as colubrids even though scientifically they are.

[Skiploder]

Thats the jest of what i was saying. They are a subfamily of colubrids but i dont consider them colubrids due to the venom. Out of the hundreds of colubrids i have had not one was venomous or rear fanged, which is why i dont classify hoggs as colubrids even though scientifically they are.

Do you consider a garter snake a colubrid?

[RichsBallPythons]

Do you consider a garter snake a colubrid?

Of course as they are not rear fanged but ive never kept them. Many things are scientifically classified with no real meanings as to why.

[Skiploder]

Thats the jest of what i was saying. They are a subfamily of colubrids but i dont consider them colubrids due to the venom. Out of the hundreds of colubrids i have had not one was venomous or rear fanged, which is why i dont classify hoggs as colubrids even though scientifically they are.

Most colubrids ARE venomous.

Maybe you shouldn't be classifying the hundred of ones you kept as colubrids instead of the other way around.

[Skiploder]

Of course as they are not rear fanged but ive never kept them. Many things are scientifically classified with no real meanings as to why.

But they are venomous and they have nominally enlarged rear fangs.

I think there is more meaning to the scientific classifications than you realize.

[RichsBallPythons]

Most colubrids ARE venomous.

Maybe you shouldn't be classifying the hundred of ones you kept as colubrids instead of the other way around.

Correct me if wrong but can you prove me that most colubrids like corns,rats,garters are venmous. Since Venmous snakes if not mistaken DO NOT constrict. I would love to see documented proof to prove me wrong that most colubrids are venomous.