Russo het? Something else?

[DrNo]

This is my first post here so hi to everyone.
I've got a morph question. This male was imported by my friend from known US breeder (along with a few other morphs) and was labeled as Russo het leucistic. To me he looks quite different from other Russo hets I've seen on photos, but I'm no expert, so I seek for opinions. Now he belongs to me so I would like to know what I have. Unfortunately the only way I can check it myself is to breed him to normals and then to his daughters and see what happens. That's what I'm going to do but obviously that will take some time.

What do you think?






Thanks

[MarkS]

If I were to make any kind of guess at what he 'might' be het for, I would have guessed red axanthic before I would have guessed Russo Leucistic.

[Big Gunns]

If you trust where you got it, then don't worry about it. It looks like it could be one to Big Gunns, but they are much harder to tell then other snakes..... Mojaves etc..... They are even harder to tell in a pic.


Big Gunns really hates threads like this because you're asking opinions from people you don't know on a forum. You have no idea their level of experience. If some people say it doesn't look like a het, somebody may get falsely accused of ripping you off. All because you asked on a forum.

Here's a better idea. Send an e-mail to Vin Russo. He can be kind of moody, but if you say you're really sorry to bother him and ask him if it looks like it might be a het from his line, you'd get more of an "expert" opinion. Remember, be real nice and ask politely. BG has seen his boy Vinny give it to a few people at a show....he has his moods.

BG isn't volunteering by any means, but maybe the forum should have an "ask the expert" section for things like this. BG has just seen too many times where so called "experts" on a forum have said something completely 100% wrong to people asking questions like this.

[Big Gunns]

Big Gunns has decided to volunteer all of Adam8 ball's time to be the "ask the expert". The boy does nothing all day but play with his toy trains, so he has plenty of time to answer any question people may have.

[Mike Schultz]

Big Gunns has decided to volunteer all of Adam8 ball's time to be the "ask the expert". The boy does nothing all day but play with his toy trains, so he has plenty of time to answer any question people may have.

I dunno, his eyebrows looked pretty pristine-ly groomed last I saw him, so he must have some free time

[OhhWatALoser]

better way to go would to breed it to a lesser or butter or something in the BEL complex and see if you make some BEL :-)

russo orginally was trying to make a high gold line and bred his high gold ball pythons and got BEL, hense being call russo hets. but your snake doesn't look high gold in the picture at all, but you can't tell from pictures that well in the first place and mayb your animal is just a poor example of the high gold ones. chances are you will never know until you breed it.

but im no expert, so forgot what i said.

[Big Gunns]

better way to go would to breed it to a lesser or butter or something in the BEL complex and see if you make some BEL :-)

russo orginally was trying to make a high gold line and bred his high gold ball pythons and got BEL, hense being call russo hets. but your snake doesn't look high gold in the picture at all, but you can't tell from pictures that well in the first place and mayb your animal is just a poor example of the high gold ones. chances are you will never know until you breed it.

but im no expert, so forgot what i said.

Do the last thing OWL says.

"high gold" as babies. This snake looks exactly like a snake that would be "high gold" as a baby.

BG hates that abbreviation people use "BEL". There's black eyed lucy's and blue eyed lucy's. "BEL" could be used for both although they are completely different.

BG hates IHOP...KFC and all the rest also. LOL

[Big Gunns]

Big Gunns sure "hates" a lot today. Maybe it's the Phillies that did it.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

You guys are crazy for sure!

Actually BG is right about asking Vin russo himself. He is actually quite helpful when he has the time. He responded to me about some strange hatchlings i had this year.

It definately looks like something but what? Very clean belly, faded head, less melanin than a "normal" but no lip spots or flames like fires and vanillas. Could be a russo, might not be.. So who really knows. The subtle ones and the hets can be nearly impossible.

Really all you can do is try to prove him out. It probably is best to put him to Blue eyed lucy like the other poster said. There are quite a few blue eyed lucy producing snakes out there. If you get no lucys but you end up with normals & something else that looks like the father your halfway there. Hold back and try again.

[Vlervatron]

Big Gunns, I like how you refer to yourself in the third person. That's what Vlervatron says.
Vlervatron also agrees with you.