TOFFEE Ball PROVEN

[Freakie_frog]

Can anyone get in touch with Craig at Urban Python? He might like to know about this thread, as his name is in it and someone is portraying these snakes as being his toffees.

Might be nice to hear it straight from the horse's mouth....?

I don't see a need for that if the OP wishes to have Craig come and set the record straight so be it. I'd love to know for one.. Cause I'm looking and getting in on the Candy project and would be interesting to hear from the guy that produce the hets that yes they hatch out white and orange and then turn topee and khaki. Is it possible sure..

[2kdime]

Bad camera skills....maybe.

But I agree, looks a lot like an Albino.

i think you got some het albinos there man

Well I'm glad that whatever it is proved out for you. Having never had to photograph a baby Toffee myself I'll admit that it is possiable that your camera washed out the color. I know how hard some morphs can be to photograph..

Best of luck..

[Jared]

Can anyone get in touch with Craig at Urban Python? He might like to know about this thread, as his name is in it and someone is portraying these snakes as being his toffees.

Might be nice to hear it straight from the horse's mouth....?

Yeah.. That's a good idea, as it looks to be that someone is trying to pull something over on someone. lol Lots of possibilities there

[SPJ]

Those are regular albinos.
Hope you didn't pay het toffee prices for those het albinos.

[monk90222]

I've seen candy ball pythons in person, het candy's and the original adult candy.....those look like regular albinos....

[Watever]

I don't see a need for that if the OP wishes to have Craig come and set the record straight so be it. I'd love to know for one.. Cause I'm looking and getting in on the Candy project and would be interesting to hear from the guy that produce the hets that yes they hatch out white and orange and then turn topee and khaki. Is it possible sure..

I talked to the Urban Python at the CRBE, that was 2 weeks ago. And haven't proved it at that time, no clutch was successful.

This is the first MORPH coming out. He bought them from THEM. Also when you were buying het, The Urban Python added a guarantee on them, so if the gene never prove, you get your money back.

Could the tofee been bred to an Albino, probably not. I asked them if they were trying to get any combo and the answer was NOT YET. They were trying to prove the gene first with NORMALS females.

So unless one of the normal female is a het albino and they didn't know, and by chance the pair was 50% and both proved out, this is a Toffee or the Toffee is an albino + something or an albino who's development went bad or something.

CAN'T PEOPLE SEE THIS IS PROBABLY A BIG STEP FORWARD IN PROVING THIS GENE ?

There is no reason to say bad things on this.
But until it's color change to the color of a toffee, nothing is proved yet.

[waltah!]

CAN'T PEOPLE SEE THIS IS PROBABLY A BIG STEP FORWARD IN PROVING THIS GENE ?

Albinos were proven many years ago
I don't think anyone is doubting the OP having purchased het toffees from Craig. There's a better chance that somewhere along the line the albino genes were involved than the animals pictured here turning colors (including eye color) into a Toffee. I think the Toffee ball is amazing, but I think it's odd that even Urban hasn't proven it out yet.
On a side note, I would love for it to prove to be a Toffee. It's for sure one of my favorite looking snakes and I can only imagine the combos!

[m00kfu]

That's a toughie. Being that it's assumed that the candy and toffee are the same thing, and the candy hatchlings have red eyes (at least in the pictures I've seen), I think there's a good chance this actually is a toffee. I know there's quite a change in coloring from hatchling to adult for the candies.

[MarkS]

Actually, I've seen pictures of what were claimed to be FRESHLY HATCHED baby candy balls, and they looked like albinos to me. Apparently they don't start to color up for a while. I'd like to see pictures of these again in a month or two.

[waltah!]

That's a toughie. Being that it's assumed that the candy and toffee are the same thing, and the candy hatchlings have red eyes (at least in the pictures I've seen), I think there's a good chance this actually is a toffee. I know there's quite a change in coloring from hatchling to adult for the candies.

I hope it really is a Toffee. I'd love to see them being proven as it would be a great thing for the hobby.
I want to make sure that the OP knows that I don't doubt him one little bit. It could just be that it's impossible for me to wrap my head around a change that huge. Maybe i'm just in denial cause I can't afford one!