TOFFEE Ball PROVEN

[Patrick Long]

If this was Brians post (or Ralph, Tracy, Kevin, ects for that matter)

I would have still said, it looks JUST like an albino. BECAUSE IT DOES!!!!!!

I dont know why your gettin your ruffles all feathered (ha!). It would help all of us, NOT just you if it were in fact a Toffee.

[AlanDavidExotics]

PLEASE show me where either myself, or any other admin or mod hinted or implied that the OP is lying. YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines...but that in no way implies anything negative about the OP. Those seriously look like ordinary albinos to me, from the pictures provided...and I simply offered up a reasonable explanation about WHY they might look that way, without any attempt at deception on the part of the OP or the original seller of the hets.

And I am fully aware that newly hatched ball pythons can change as they grow...some morphs this is more dramatic than in others. But no where in the ball python world that I've seen so far has there ever been a case of a change as significant as what the OP is suggesting. The closest that I'm aware of might be the banana ball...where the babies are crazy-colored and then grow into somewhat dull looking adults....but even in that case, you can see the relationship between the baby and the adult. And I've never seen a case where the eye color changes.

While I can understand the frustration of those who are tired of the somewhat pessimistic response to the original pictures, I take offense at our words being so twisted and misconstrued.

JCL You yourself just said " YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines"... and thats all im saying...Some ADMIN/MODS where hinting that there most be a mistake and some users (members in general) where saying maybe he GOT scammed (not necessarily The OP trying to scam)

This reminds when there was all this drama about MYSTICS...and how they couldnt be a new line of PHANTOM or how Sulfurs werent fires...

I guess... maybe the OP should have waited to post pictures of the progress, but that takes the fun out of it

[rabernet]

JCL You yourself just said " YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines"... and thats all im saying...Some ADMIN/MODS where hinting that there most be a mistake and some users (members in general) where saying maybe he GOT scammed (not necessarily The OP trying to scam)

This reminds when there was all this drama about MYSTICS...and how they couldnt be a new line of PHANTOM or how Sulfurs werent fires...

I guess... maybe the OP should have waited to post pictures of the progress, but that takes the fun out of it

even the ADMIN/MODS are hinting the OP is lying

And that shows that Judy called him a liar........where?

[sg1trogdor]

I just don't see all of the white on those babies eventually turning to a brown toffee color. I hope I am wrong not only for the sake of the OP's wallet but for the entirety of the hobby.

[AlanDavidExotics]

My feathers are all plucked lol... Id be heated if everyone told me my baby toffee is a only a regular albino... and maybe I should call the breeder back to get my money!!! Only because nobody has ever seen a baby TOFFEE


BELIEVE ME... I'M NOT UPSET, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOSE ANY SLEEP, THIS IS MY HOBBY... THIS IS A DEBATE... I'M A DEBATER...ITS JUST WHAT I DO.

I DONT HAVE ANY HARD FEELINGS FOR ANYONE...I WISH EVERYONE LAVENDER ALBINO PIEDS (MY DREAM SNAKE)

[Raptor]

Adult candy:


Adult toffee:


VPI's burgundy albino:


From the photos they all look pretty similar to me.

The Candy and Burgundy albino look similar, but the toffee stands out. It has a much different pattern than the other two.

[AlanDavidExotics]

And that shows that Judy called him a liar........where?

Finish writing the rest of my quote! You left out the important part... Theres plenty more ADMINT/MODS then just JUDY right? Relax

[MarkS]

Maybe the OP should start a poll to see who thinks it's a toffee and who thinks its a regular albino. It might be kind of a fun thread to keep coming back to with updated pictures.

Personally, I think he nailed it and I predict that those two albino looking snakes will eventually color up to look just like the mature toffee.

[waltah!]

Finish writing the rest of my quote! You left out the important part... Theres plenty more ADMINT/MODS then just JUDY right? Relax

If not Judy then it could be me then. I feel that I've explained myself pretty well. Next time I make a post I'll be sure to run it by you first.
Names in Red and Green are members too.

[rabernet]

Finish writing the rest of my quote! You left out the important part... Theres plenty more ADMINT/MODS then just JUDY right? Relax

Judy is the only admin that has participated in this thread up until this point, and you were addressing her post and called out admins AND mods as calling the OP a liar (and none have).

I'm very relaxed!