Price drops

[monk90222]

lol Your fighting a losing battle get over it ! The prices are falling and they will keep falling ! Why do you even care what we are selling are animals for as long as my hobby can pay for itself im good with that !

This is the type of ignorant post that makes the business side of reptiles so awful. Bascially saying as long as he's good, forget anyone else....

The "instant gratification" aspect is what is killing this market. Did anyone ever hear of saving your money and getting what you want instead of buying any example of the morph because it is the cheapest you can find?...it makes it that much sweeter. The fact that anyone can afford the basic morphs now and mass produce them in their bedroom is another reason that this market is going to be the corn snake market in the near future.

If Joe Shmoe has his animals priced the same as Ralph Davis, BHB... who's animals are going to sell?

The animal that looks the best and appeals to the particular customer. I am NOT buying any animal based on who produced it. I am buying an animal that I think is the best example of the morph.

[rjk890]

However it's potentially cruel to the animal to sell them for less than the already highly discounted show prices, those animals may end up in the hands of less respectable individuals who will, in the future, sell low quality animals to people after they have bred them. Or worse yet the animal gets force fed, or ends up with a respiratory problem.

Then is it cruel to sell normals for $20. or $30. or is it only cruel if it is a Morph?
How does the price that you sell the animal for affect the quality of the offspring that animal will produce?

[Oxylepy]

How does the price that you sell the animal for affect the quality of the offspring that animal will produce?

I'm just getting at if they are purchased by people who aren't going to take care of them.

I knew a guy who insisted that his ball pythons would be fine with 4 in a 20 gallon tall. He found a caramel for cheap and had that in there too, the snakes all died of respiratory problems and he never bothered taking them to the vet. Why did he do this? He got them for cheap.

As far as the normals go, people seem to consider them as undesired results of breeding and many could care less who they sell them to. It's wrong, but it's what happens.

[nixer]

thank you :d

yw joe

the point here is it doesnt matter everyone on this site will have a different opinion on this either way, but the point here is this.. our country is a free trade enterprise, which means that its up to you to set your own prices.
unless every breeder starts making ppl sign a contract stating that the buyer cannot sell for less than market price and what market price is deemed on it will continue be a free trade enterprise.

at the same time i would sure like to know how alot of ppl seem to say that daytona sets the price, yet last time i checked a gallon of gas was not the same price in every area nor are any other goods or services

also if daytona sets the price then might i ask who was the first person at daytona to lower their prices then you will have the market crasher

[joepythons]

In my opinion i would rather buy from small breeders then some of the bigtime breeders.Why you ask? Its simple SOME of the big breeders do it for the money mostly.They do not have the time to give every reptile the extra care or attention small breeders do.When i bred my snakes i could tell you everything about a snakes background.Its not always about the name of the breeder but the quality of the animals either will produce .People instead of bickering back and forth all night over something that is not going to change go enjoy your labor day weekend

[joepythons]

I'm just getting at if they are purchased by people who aren't going to take care of them.

I knew a guy who insisted that his ball pythons would be fine with 4 in a 20 gallon tall. He found a caramel for cheap and had that in there too, the snakes all died of respiratory problems and he never bothered taking them to the vet. Why did he do this? He got them for cheap.

As far as the normals go, people seem to consider them as undesired results of breeding and many could care less who they sell them to. It's wrong, but it's what happens.

Nope prices had nothing to do with it HE WAS AN IDIOT!!!

[Oxylepy]

He got more snakes because of the low cost. He killed more snakes because of the low cost. He was about to buy a low costing fire (at the time) from a breeder before all his snakes died.

[Haydenphoto]

This is the type of ignorant post that makes the business side of reptiles so awful. Bascially saying as long as he's good, forget anyone else....

The "instant gratification" aspect is what is killing this market. Did anyone ever hear of saving your money and getting what you want instead of buying any example of the morph because it is the cheapest you can find?...it makes it that much sweeter. The fact that anyone can afford the basic morphs now and mass produce them in their bedroom is another reason that this market is going to be the corn snake market in the near future.



The animal that looks the best and appeals to the particular customer. I am NOT buying any animal based on who produced it. I am buying an animal that I think is the best example of the morph.

ignorant ?? How i get the morph i want and i sell the rest for cheaper how is that wrong ? As for pastels there all the same for the most part you could have a lemon brown out ! It's all on the animal i have seen a lot of pastels from diff lines and it's not always the line !

[rabernet]

Then is it cruel to sell normals for $20. or $30. or is it only cruel if it is a Morph?
How does the price that you sell the animal for affect the quality of the offspring that animal will produce?

And I would argue, what's the point of buying quality if they're going to be selling for rock bottom prices regardless?

Folks need to have a little pride in the quality of the animals that they are producing and selling (and I'm talking the look of the animal, all else being equal).

If it's truly a quality, Grade A animal, why WOULD you drop the prices to the same price as a dirty pastel (with pastels as the example).

There ARE buyers out there for quality animals. I'm one of them. I don't buy a morph just because I want that morph. I decide what morph that I want and I wait until I get to find the very best example that I can of that animal. Do you know why? Because with all these people producing pastels and spiders, etc just for the sake of producing them, finding FINE examples is rare. And to me, worth that extra money.

Shouldn't we all be working to IMPROVE the morphs we're working with?

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

The difference is, pretty much everyone else is selling them between 200 and 300. Maybe I'm just of the opinion that the price doesn't need to be that low. It goes right along with using the word cheap in ads. The economy and supply and demand does enough to devalue these animals. The breeders don't need to help.

Well, finally i get to agree with Jglass on something... People are too desperate right now. Losing their homes, getting second mortgages, losing jobs etc... Also too many people are breeding and have huge set-ups in rented homes or apartments.. Thats just a disaster waiting to happen..

These prices dont NEED to fall this bad. In a year or 2 when things start to pick up again, these people will regret selling their prize snakes for so low. The smart breeders will choose the most valuble hold-backs. Why do you think we are not seeing very many snakes for sale from the "top" breeders? And what IS for sale by them is not nearly as cheap as the same snake being sold by other people.. But they are still selling for the most part.

Reputation is a big part of it. The people dropping their prices just to get things sold are actually helping other breeders in the future... Those of us just starting out. The only reason id buy a spider for $150.00 is if i personally knew the seller and knew for sure he/she was going thru some serious financial issues. Otherwise i wouldnt trust that breeder.