Regurge from baby BP, Now what?

Ok I haven't experienced this yet,

Bean, the baby BP I aquired has had a regurge.

I bought home Bean Sunday, August 31. Was looking very skinny to me, and weighed in at 79 grams

Offered a 9g mouse on Sunday Sept 01, (Sunday was to be feeding day) and was accepted no problem

Bean used the bathroom on Friday, Sept 06, Sunday Sept 08, was offered another 9g mouse, accepted no issues,

Today Sept 11, daughter found a regurge in the cage after school (about 3pm),

Not to be gross but the regurge look pretty digested from the nose down to about the rear hips, mouse looked pretty whole from there back. (hips,rear legs ect).

She was in a split 20g tank (split with cardboard so couldn't see other side). I was going to move her into her own 10 gallon tonite.

So now I should just let her be for 2 weeks? Fresh water changes only? After 2 weeks change her to the 10 gallon, then attempt to feed mouse one size down?

I don't want to deprive her of food too long, but don't want to feed too soon either. (Ugh poor snake).

As long as this is the only regurge is a vet visit required?

Any guidance is appreciated!

Thanks in advance

Jeff

Leave her alone for three weeks, don't change up the enclosure, and make double sure your temps and humidity are correct.

While you are waiting pick up some NutriBAC reptile probiotic, you can find it on Amazon.

In three weeks offer a wet/damp f/t mouse hopper dusted with a bit of the NutriBAC powder. If that stays down offer another in ten days. If that stays down offer another in seven days, and if all goes well you can start moving up to weekly feedings of normal-sized meals.

Since this is a new arrival it absolutely must be quarantined well away from your other snakes in case the regurge was due to a highly contagious illness like crypto rather than from stress or a husbandry issue, especially since it's from a commercial pet store where it was co-habbed per your other posts.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Leave her alone for three weeks, don't change up the enclosure, and make double sure your temps and humidity are correct.

While you are waiting pick up some NutriBAC reptile probiotic, you can find it on Amazon.

In three weeks offer a wet/damp f/t mouse hopper dusted with a bit of the NutriBAC powder. If that stays down offer another in ten days. If that stays down offer another in seven days, and if all goes well you can start moving up to weekly feedings of normal-sized meals.

Since this is a new arrival it absolutely must be quarantined well away from your other snakes in case the regurge was due to a highly contagious illness like crypto rather than from stress or a husbandry issue, especially since it's from a commercial pet store where it was co-habbed per your other posts.

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What bcr229 said, with emphasis on proper quarantine (ask if you do not know how to do that) and no cross contamination with other reptiles.

Also, if she is not sick, which is hopefully the case, and again, said, make sure all temps and humidity are spot on.

Snake can regurgitate if hot spot is too cold OR too hot because they will avoid it.

Good luck and as mentioned, if you are not sure about anything, just ask.

And we're all pulling for you, for your new baby BP to make a good recovery, with nothing serious going on. :please: I agree with above posts.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Leave her alone for three weeks, don't change up the enclosure, and make double sure your temps and humidity are correct.

While you are waiting pick up some NutriBAC reptile probiotic, you can find it on Amazon.

In three weeks offer a wet/damp f/t mouse hopper dusted with a bit of the NutriBAC powder. If that stays down offer another in ten days. If that stays down offer another in seven days, and if all goes well you can start moving up to weekly feedings of normal-sized meals.

Since this is a new arrival it absolutely must be quarantined well away from your other snakes in case the regurge was due to a highly contagious illness like crypto rather than from stress or a husbandry issue, especially since it's from a commercial pet store where it was co-habbed per your other posts.

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Ugh no feeding for 3 weeks, I feel really bad about that, because she already looked under fed :(.

NutriBAC ordered, will be here tomorrow

Ok, "hopper" would be what size? Perfect Prey says 7-12g. It was a 9g she didn't keep down, about that size again? or go a little smaller size? I'm sure after 3 weeks she will be really hungry, but don't want to over do it.

I have a "snake room" the other snakes are in, after 60-90 wait and their visit to the snek Doc for a checkup, mite and r.i checks, no one goes in there until then, Bean is the next room over, as far away from the door as possible in my small house.

The 20g she is in now is split, with the other snake that was at the store, the other one is moved into a waiting 10 gal and put in a 3rd bed room just for safety for her too.

Any symptoms of crypto I should look for? I googled that, nasty stuff, I hope that's not what she has.

Thanks For All the guidance and info.

For sure, feed smaller when you do feed her & use the NutriBac, that should help some. TLC...poor little :snake:

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

Ok, "hopper" would be what size? Perfect Prey says 7-12g. It was a 9g she didn't keep down, about that size again? or go a little smaller size? I'm sure after 3 weeks she will be really hungry, but don't want to over do it.

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I would try a large fuzzy or small hopper, something 6-7 grams.

Ok I know I ask enough question to drive ya'll crazy....

But what about Bean's former co-habbed buddy?

Bitey ate a 10g mouse 2 Sunday's ago, an 11g mouse last Sunday, kept it down no regurge. Now this Sunday should I give her a break too?,

or feed as normal? I don't want to over due her and have her sick too. And for reference she weighed 97 grams 2 Sundays ago.

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

Ok I know I ask enough question to drive ya'll crazy....

But what about Bean's former co-habbed buddy?

Bitey ate a 10g mouse 2 Sunday's ago, an 11g mouse last Sunday, kept it down no regurge. Now this Sunday should I give her a break too?,

or feed as normal? I don't want to over due her and have her sick too. And for reference she weighed 97 grams 2 Sundays ago.

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Feeding Bitey is fine if he's holding down the food.

However, proper quarantine for BOTH new additions. Separate rooms, no cross contamination, and handle them last and do not go back to other reptiles. Assume both are sick, even if they are not.

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Originally Posted by dakski

Feeding Bitey is fine if he's holding down the food.

However, proper quarantine for BOTH new additions. Separate rooms, no cross contamination, and handle them last and do not go back to other reptiles. Assume both are sick, even if they are not.

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Good to hear... I think Bitey is getting hungry.. You can just see her peeking out of the hide on the left side, She stretched out over the water dish to the glass and checked things out.. So feed day is Sunday, she should be ready

I'll go with a smaller 9g mouse, Should I give her a Nutribac sprinkle too??

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

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I'll go with a smaller 9g mouse, Should I give her a Nutribac sprinkle too?? ...

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Not needed for a snake that's been eating ok...they get plenty from their normal diet.

Well I peeked in on Bean (the one that regurged) (just peeked not handled) She seems to be doing ok, just hanging out. 1 week down for her.

Bitey ate a 9m mouse Sunday, well snatched and coiled it Lol, so I'll peek in on her tomorrow and make sure she kept it down.

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

Well I peeked in on Bean (the one that regurged) (just peeked not handled) She seems to be doing ok, just hanging out. 1 week down for her.

Bitey ate a 9m mouse Sunday, well snatched and coiled it Lol, so I'll peek in on her tomorrow and make sure she kept it down.

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Just remember that this may be the reason that Bean has looked skinny from the start. Not all snakes are "up to the same speed" when hatched or born, & regurges
really do set them back. Be patient, she could still regurge even after a week, but the longer she keeps it down, the less likely that will happen. Your nose should tell
you if she regurges...;) Hoping that at least Bitey will be problem-free.

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

Just remember that this may be the reason that Bean has looked skinny from the start. Not all snakes are "up to the same speed" when hatched or born, & regurges
really do set them back. Be patient, she could still regurge even after a week, but the longer she keeps it down, the less likely that will happen. Your nose should tell
you if she regurges...;) Hoping that at least Bitey will be problem-free.

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Maybe I phrased that wrong? or I'm reading your reply wrong?
For Bean I meant 1 week of no food after regurge, Bcr229 recommended 3 weeks of not trying to feed, and I
meant that it has been 1 week of no attempted feeding. (Her regurge was last week) and yes the regurged half digested mouse smells horrible!!

Bitey seems to be good, she is a lot bigger than Bean, I hope she doesn't have any issues, I dropped her feeding size a little I'm feeding her just under the 10% of her body weight, and slightly smaller than her body size. She's at about 100g weight

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

Maybe I phrased that wrong? or I'm reading your reply wrong?
For Bean I meant 1 week of no food after regurge, Bcr229 recommended 3 weeks of not trying to feed, and I
meant that it has been 1 week of no attempted feeding. (Her regurge was last week) and yes the regurged half digested mouse smells horrible!!

Bitey seems to be good, she is a lot bigger than Bean, I hope she doesn't have any issues, I dropped her feeding size a little I'm feeding her just under the 10% of her body weight, and slightly smaller than her body size. She's at about 100g weight

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Sorry, I ran those comments together...I know Bean is in a 'holding pattern' & has 2 weeks to go...I meant that the regurge she had when you
fed her might not have been her first, that's why she looked on the slim side when you got her. I hope she "turns around" for you.

Here's hoping that Bitey doesn't give you any problems...nothing worse than the smell of regurge in the air. Good idea to feed on the small side
for now, in an abundance of caution.
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This is what I meant in previous post: :oops:

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

Just remember that this may be the reason that Bean has looked skinny from the start. Not all snakes are "up to the same speed" when hatched or born, & regurges really do set them back.

Be patient, she [Bitey] could still regurge even after a week, but the longer she keeps it down, the less likely that will happen. Your nose should tell you if she regurges...;) Hoping that at least Bitey will be problem-free.

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

Sorry, I ran those comments together...I know Bean is in a 'holding pattern' & has 2 weeks to go...I meant that the regurge she had when you
fed her might not have been her first, that's why she looked on the slim side when you got her. I hope she "turns around" for you.

Here's hoping that Bitey doesn't give you any problems...nothing worse than the smell of regurge in the air. Good idea to feed on the small side
for now, in an abundance of caution.
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This is what I meant in previous post: :oops:

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Ok, Gotcha....

Bean did eat once for me and was good, she regurged on the 2nd feeding :(,

Bitey is on her 3rd feeding for me now, I dropped her feeder size this time, I hope she is good

I have a feeling Bean's regurge is on me for feeding slightly to big of a mouse :tears:, (regurged a 9g mouse on a 79g snake that was really thin to start with)

So hopefully after recovery, and dropping down her feeder size she'll do well and thrive

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

...I have a feeling Bean's regurge is on me for feeding slightly to big of a mouse :tears:, (regurged a 9g mouse on a 79g snake that was really thin to start with)

So hopefully after recovery, and dropping down her feeder size she'll do well and thrive

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Yes, I think that's very likely all it was too. I'm thinking positive for you...

Bitey had her 3rd feeding Sunday, Wednesday night I let my daughter hold her for 10 minutes, while I changed water, and checked her cage for poop / regurge or any other mess... Non to be found.

Bitey was WAY less bitey Lol, no striking, calm, lots of tongue flicking, and curiosity I think. And noticed someone has blue eyes. So put her back, and will leave her alone until her shed is complete.

P.s my corn snake is also in shed, along with Hal too.... and Cheyenne just shed. Just that time of year?? Coincidence? Really strange to me.


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Shedding is just coincidence...most snakes have been eating aggressively all summer...sheds are just the result of growth. Very glad you found no regurges- :gj:

Looked like it was ready to shed by the eyes, that might be it?

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Looked like it was ready to shed by the eyes, that might be it?

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Bitey wasn't the one that regurged...it was Bean.

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Bitey wasn't the one that regurged...it was Bean.

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Correct,

I think I'm making this thread confusing, too many snakes with almost the same sounding name :oops:

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

Correct,

I think I'm making this thread confusing, too many snakes with almost the same sounding name :oops:

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Only because some ppl don't read from the beginning, they come in at the end & make assumptions, lol. Not to worry.

Well it was feeding time for Bitey last night, She's learning quick, and seems to be a good eater...

I warmed up a small 9g mouse, and could no more than remove the lock on the top of her cage and her head was peeking out already

I lowered the mouse in gave it a small wiggle and Bam, hit and coiled, eaten pretty quickly, then back into the hide Lol.

So fingers cross she keeps it down again, That's her 4th feeding with no issues,

So maybe Wed / Thur I'll get her out for a short 10 minute handling session.


Going on 2 weeks no feeding for Bean.... 1 week to go fer her, the smalllest mouse I have is a 9g, So I need to get a few smaller 6-7g to start her back up on

then hopefully she's back on track....

Sounds like Bitey is well-named, lol...I hope you can get Bean back on track in a week from now. Always some challenges when we keep snakes. :cool:

Bitey shed yesterday, wasn't 1 whole piece, more like 3 large pieces, Looks like it all came off, eye caps - tail tip,

I'll have her out tonite to double check all the shed is off. She should be good to go, fingers crossed no issues creep up with her.

I got her at the end of last month, so a well snake check up at the vet is next on the list for her.

Bean still patiently waits to be fed. I go to the local pet store (different big box) to find her a box of smaller food (frozen mice), grab 2 different sizes,

ask the employee do they have a scale so I can weigh a few from each box, to see which has the sizes I'm looking for. Employee opens up box and says, just pull them out if you want to see how big they are. :sigh2: Ugh, I just buy both boxes, and figure between Bean and Bitey I'll use them up eventually.

Hi

Next time it’s in shed mode spray the viv well daily THEN when the eyes clear and it gets its colour back you spray well a FEW times daily ..
That’s usually enough to guarantee a perfect shed unless you’ve got a high powered ceramic heat lamp drying the place out .


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Hi

Next time it’s in shed mode spray the viv well daily THEN when the eyes clear and it gets its colour back you spray well a FEW times daily ..
That’s usually enough to guarantee a perfect shed unless you’ve got a high powered ceramic heat lamp drying the place out .


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Thanks,

I have a spay bottle I use to bump humidity, She was in a 10 gallon glass tank with foil over the top. Humidity was 58%-63% guess I need to bump those number a little. No CHE or overhead heat was on, just room ambient temp of 77-79. she has a UTH set at 88* for belly heat.

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It’s just a case of bumping up the humidity in those crucial days after the eyes clear and the skin comes off ..


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I found Bean out snooping around this afternoon, her first feeding since the regurge is coming up,

So I hope this is a good sign that she is recovering, and getting hungry :)

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I would certainly take that as a good sign (& a sign of hunger). :gj:

She appears to have good body weight, btw. Nice looking BP.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

While you are waiting pick up some NutriBAC reptile probiotic, you can find it on Amazon.

In three weeks offer a wet/damp f/t mouse hopper dusted with a bit of the NutriBAC powder.

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Ok, almost feeding time for Bean, So next question..... (yes i know I have endless questions)

My usual feeding routine is get mice / rats out of freezer in the morning, about 8am, whatever size I need for which snake

they go in the fridge until I get home from work, about 7pm. Then I let out for about 30 minutes to start warming up, hit it with the hairdryer

to give it some temp and feed.

So with the Nutribac, after the above I should just give is a shot with my water mister, get a pinch of Nutribac with my fingers and give a light sprinkle to the

mouse? Should i keep it near the rear end so Bean will start eating before she gets to the Nutribac??

Just don't want to screw up her first meal in 3 weeks.

Again, Thanks for any input :)

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I would certainly take that as a good sign (& a sign of hunger). :gj:

She appears to have good body weight, btw. Nice looking BP.

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She was the tamer of the 2 "mean" snakes I ended up with, When I first bought her home and went to transfer her from the pet store box to her tank

I hear a weird noise... my daughter says "aww the poor snake is hissing (never heard a snake do this before). and about

that time she struck from my left hand to my right hand and got me right in the webbing between my thumb and my first finger Lol.

Obviously she was too little to break the skin, and I hardly felt it.

And that was my first snake bite...... and not even by the "Bitey" snake :rofl:

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Ok, almost feeding time for Bean, So next question..... (yes i know I have endless questions)

My usual feeding routine is get mice / rats out of freezer in the morning, about 8am, whatever size I need for which snake

they go in the fridge until I get home from work, about 7pm. Then I let out for about 30 minutes to start warming up, hit it with the hairdryer

to give it some temp and feed.

So with the Nutribac, after the above I should just give is a shot with my water mister, get a pinch of Nutribac with my fingers and give a light sprinkle to the

mouse? Should i keep it near the rear end so Bean will start eating before she gets to the Nutribac??

Just don't want to screw up her first meal in 3 weeks.

Again, Thanks for any input :)

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Thawing in cool water is way faster than in fridge (or room air) & doesn't give time for spoilage...just saying. And no matter how you thaw, be sure to manually feel the
thickest part of rodents with your fingers to make SURE they are fully-thawed. Rats especially can take a long time to fully thaw, because their thick fur is good insulation even in death. A rodent with a cold body core will either be rejected or may be barfed back up...neither is a good option.

Nutribac: while usually accepted when dusted on damp rodents by strong feeding snakes, your best bet is to use something to pry open the dead rodent's mouth & install* the Nutribac there, then push the mouth closed: this way your snake won't notice and when it's dusted on, much of it falls off anyway while the snake is swallowing. (*I've found that using a tiny measuring spoon makes this easier. Don't worry about measuring it, what fits in the mouth is fine.)

I don't want you to screw it up either. ;)

I usually dust the Nutribac onto a damp feeder because dissolves easily in water so it sticks very well. You can wipe a bit on the feeder's hindquarters. It doesn't take much.

Also offering the feeder damp will help keep the snake hydrated; they do lose some fluid when they regurge and proper hydration is required for digestion.

Well I've seen Bean out and about exploring all over her tank the last 3 nights / mornings.

Today is the 3rd week since the last time I fed her. (regurge a day or 2 later).

So tonight she'll get a 5g mouse with Nutribac. Fingers crossed she keeps it down and is back on track with the feeding.

Fingers are crossed for you. I hope she eats it like a champ.

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Bean was definitely hungry.... Almost instant hit on a 5g mouse w/ Nutribac, eaten effortlessly, and roamed around for another hour looking for more.....

So now we wait, Ugh.........

I hope Bean keeps it down. Let us know how she does.

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I'm thinking positive...she's gonna be fine. :cool:

As of today, haven't seen or smelled a regurge, haven't been in tank, because I didn't want to disturb her yet.

She seems to be way more active to, as far as exploring around her tank so she seems to be good.

Bean says Hi!, (She loves that cardboard tube)

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Hopefully she is on the right track now. She is too cute sticking her head out.

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I got in her tank last night to change her water, no sign of regurge, no sign of poop either, so she's either digested most of it with the 3 week no feeding or is still in process of digesting.

She is Way more active, and curious than she was for the 2+ weeks after she regurged. So hopefully she's back on track to normal.

Next feeding is Wednesday the 9th, 10 days after her last feeding.

I haven't handled her and won't for the next month to let her resettle in.

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I got in her tank last night to change her water, no sign of regurge, no sign of poop either, so she's either digested most of it with the 3 week no feeding or is still in process of digesting.

She is Way more active, and curious than she was for the 2+ weeks after she regurged. So hopefully she's back on track to normal.

Next feeding is Wednesday the 9th, 10 days after her last feeding.

I haven't handled her and won't for the next month to let her resettle in.

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That's what I like to hear! :gj: Sounds like she's just still hungry from the "lost" meal & then smaller meal ("snack") afterwards...very normal. :gj:

Well after Bean cruising her tank for 3 days and looking at me all the time like "Feeed Meeeee" I fed her last night, instead of tonite.

Another 5g damp mouse / little sprinkle of Nutribac (will start slightly bumping size / skip the Nutribac next time).

She took it almost instantly, ate it effortlessly and looked for more.

So we wait a week and go again, Looks like she is back on track and will continue to grow and do well.

A BIG THANKS to everybody for all the input / help to get her back to this point!!

Yeah for Bean!

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Go Bean Go! :dance::pinkele::carrot:

Bean says "Thank You for all the help, I Feel much better now".


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Aww...Bean is so cute. I'm glad you were able to get her on the right track [emoji4]

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8 Days later (last night) she took a 6g mouse no issues, and no Nutribac this time (fingers crossed).

I did 8 days to adjust her feeding to a Friday feed day, so I'll feed her next Thursday, then the following Friday. then every Friday

I hope this is acceptable, I didn't see the harm in 8 days instead of 7.

I had some small mice still, figured a 6g instead of 5g was a 20% increase in size so baby steps to bigger feeding.

I have 2 more 6g then up to 9 & 10g mice should be correct. She weighed 79g when I got her Aug 31st. So guessing she is probably around the 100g mark.

I will get her out and weigh her the beginning of November to know for sure.

Any of this sounds incorrect or needs adjusted Please let me know.