What morph is this?

Just out of curiosity, what morph is this considered?

http://imageshack.us/m/824/3559/down...0423010940.jpg

Caramel.

that there is a good looking snake. :gj::bow:

I'm picking up a het caramel this week for $25 from a breeder. That guy is the one she is normally bred to. I just wanted to be sure!

$25?!?!!?!??????

Are you sure? Did he ask for your firstborn or anything? Are you sure he didn't say $250?

100% het caramels go for a shedload more than $25. Especially females. :weirdface

Have you double checked this guy out on the BOI etc?

I know I sound horrible suspicious and distrustfull but that deal is waay to good for a normal deal. :O


dr del

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$25?!?!!?!??????

Are you sure? Did he ask for your firstborn or anything? Are you sure he didn't say $250?

100% het caramels go for a shedload more than $25. Especially females.

Have you double checked this guy out on the BOI etc?

I know I sound horrible suspicious and distrustfull but that deal is waay to good for a normal deal.


dr del

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Yep, 25. She is papered and everything from the original breeder. Either way, she is a gorgeous girl to begin with, so even if she isnt het caramel, its worth it. When he breeds his caramel to her, he comes out with caramel babies, so that says it all.

I don't see how someone could sell a snake that can produce 700 dollar babies easily for 25 dollars, I would see a proven het Caramel female going for 1K+....

Either way, I've seen her and her pattern is lovely for a normal looking girl, so I don't mind it she is het or not. I held her and she was like a puppy. Well worth the $25!

Is she lacking alien heads and has a pattern with very high contrast between the pattern and the background color of the snake? The het you're getting I mean.

Oops! I got my texts mixed up with the owner! He is selling me the BROTHER of the snake shown above. Not the female.

See,


The problem is a normal breeding age female should be around $200 most of the time.

I know it sounds like we are raining on your parade but something is terribly terribly wrong with this picture.

How much do you know about this breeder and is he local? Because it is very very easy to steal a picture from google and claim it is your animal and faking paperwork is easy as well.

I would call the breeder mentioned on the original paperwork and ask if he can confirm the genetics of the animal. Send him a picture of the snake if you have one so he can double check the patterns.

I know you probably don't want to name the breeder involved but is he mentioned on the internet anywhere?


dr del

Hi,

Is the brother described as a Poss het?


dr del

I was going to say, no one in their right mind sells a breeder size female of any kind for $25, not even a normal.

A possible het caramel male for $25 sounds a little better. I would make sure that at least one of the boys parents was visual caramel. If he happened to produce the visual male he breeds from two hets, yours will only be a possible het.

Gale

Have yet to see the paperwork. Like I said, either way, I am planning on purchasing her. I have to get photos but I love her pattern and personality.

Um,

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Oops! I got my texts mixed up with the owner! He is selling me the BROTHER of the snake shown above. Not the female.

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Have yet to see the paperwork. Like I said, either way, I am planning on purchasing her. I have to get photos but I love her pattern and personality.

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If your buying the brother it won't be a she. :P


dr del

I meant he! Its all rather confusing! I am going back to his place sometime this week so we will see what happens.

Can you tell I am a newb? And also extremely distracted?

Heh,

Don't worry about it. :)

But, just in case, if the person your planning on buying this animal from is the same one who told you the other two snakes in your other thread were pastels.... Go buy from someone else instead.

I don't know the story behind those two as it is not mentioned in the thread but thought I should mention it in case that was what happened.

Lifes too short to deal with poss hets from people trying to pass off normals as morphs. It's a sad fact but it happens often enough that it bears warning people about. :(


dr del

is this a well known breeder???

I ask.. because you keep mentioning paperwork.. give me 2 minutes and I can paperwork a normal as a quad het..


25$ is a price for a normal, or a low % poss het. Can you tell us who this breeder is??

He is a local breeder here in Sacramento. More of a home breeder I guess you could say., He says he is het for caramel.

This is the actual snake:

http://imageshack.us/m/534/2811/0510011934.jpg

I plan on visiting a few more times I think (after reading this thread...haha.) and doing more research into where he purchased the parents etc. But either way, like I said, the snake is very sweet and I love his pattern. I wasnt originally looking to breed or anything, but now that I've seen the beautiful snakes I've seen, it looks cool. This particular snake was found when the owner responded to my 'WANTED" ad on Craigslsit to adopt a BP.

And no, it's not the same breeder as the pastels, haha. I wrote that one off right away. I found out later(after contacting his supplier) that he had been passing norms off as pastels via Craigslist.

a LOT of "local breeders" are out to rip people off.. no not all.. clearly since many of us here are considered local breeders :P.. BUT.. when it comes to ANY hets.. ONLY get them from someone you KNOW and TRUST!!!! If it is a new person, make sure you physically see the rest of the babies/or the breeders etc..

like I said.. ANYONE can make FAKE het certificates!!!


better safe then sorry! :D

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He is a local breeder here in Sacramento. More of a home breeder I guess you could say., He says he is het for caramel.

This is the actual snake:

http://imageshack.us/m/534/2811/0510011934.jpg

I plan on visiting a few more times I think (after reading this thread...haha.) and doing more research into where he purchased the parents etc. But either way, like I said, the snake is very sweet and I love his pattern. I wasnt originally looking to breed or anything, but now that I've seen the beautiful snakes I've seen, it looks cool. This particular snake was found when the owner responded to my 'WANTED" ad on Craigslsit to adopt a BP.

And no, it's not the same breeder as the pastels, haha. I wrote that one off right away. I found out later(after contacting his supplier) that he had been passing norms off as pastels via Craigslist.

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Idk about anyone else, and I'm not saying this to offend anyone who does do this, but in my experience....I have yet to find a reputable breeder on craigslist. I've seen multiple craigslist rescues, which are great that people can rescue these snakes that generally are not taken care of, but never an honest breeder. With kingsnake and fauna and all other herp sites, craigslist just doesn't compare. I'd tread very lightly when dealing with craigslist, I work for a police dept and I can't tell you how many calls a week I get on scams.

I live very close to Sacramento, and I'm pretty intrigued about this guy. Is he a larger-ish scale breeder, or small? I don't want to 'steal' snake deals, I'm just curious. :P

Also.. just a heads up about caramels as a morph (I didn't see anyone mention it already) but they do have a kinking issue. Just something to be aware of, if you're planning on starting out breeding with caramels. :]

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I live very close to Sacramento, and I'm pretty intrigued about this guy. Is he a larger-ish scale breeder, or small? I don't want to 'steal' snake deals, I'm just curious.

Also.. just a heads up about caramels as a morph (I didn't see anyone mention it already) but they do have a kinking issue. Just something to be aware of, if you're planning on starting out breeding with caramels. :]

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He's located out in Placerville. I'm in Rocklin myself. I know he is selling the caramel you saw in the photo before as well as an albino.

As said before, I plan on purchasing him either way. The gentleman said that he would go with me to my choice of vet as well to get the snake checked out before purchase as well.