JnJ reptile?

http://www.jnjreptiles.com/ballpythons-morphs.php
Does anybody have positive feedback on them?
Thanks

I've purchased from them before, couldn't be happier about it. Yes they are good reputable people, I'ld recommend them.;)

Thanks so much!

i have never done business with them. It looks like they flip snakes, or at least thats how it looks from some of their ads on fauna. Just putting it out there, some people really dont like that

JnJ admits to being a reseller for Ian @ Outback. They also breed some stuff themselves. Recently they moved to Virginia to work full time for Ian.

I have been openly critical of flippers in the past but the facts show that JnJ have a good rep with their customers. I guess in the end, that is what matters.

I know they have a great rep and wouldnt hesitate to buy from them if they had something i really really wanted

Not to hijack this thread, but I flip snakes.

Got a problem with that matt?

personally i have no problem with that you have to do what you do to make a living right?...i flip cars sor i totally understand!..:gj::salute:

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Originally Posted by Beto510

personally i have no problem with that you have to do what you do to make a living right?...i flip cars sor i totally understand!..:gj::salute:

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Just keep in mind that cars can't get sick. I've yet to hear anyone that resells in high volume talk about their quarantine methods.

yea matt i flip houses have a problem with that huh huh!!!!!!! lol

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Just keep in mind that cars can't get sick. I've yet to hear anyone that resells in high volume talk about their quarantine methods.

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And so, as you so cleverly imply, there are none?

Interesting assumption there.

Isn't it ultimately up to the end purchaser to quarantine any snakes that they buy no matter who they come from?

For the record, I've not bought from JnJ but have heard others do so with good experiences.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Not to hijack this thread, but I flip snakes.

Got a problem with that matt?

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Personally i think its wrong to do but its a part of the snake industry.

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Originally Posted by kris62901

yea matt i flip houses have a problem with that huh huh!!!!!!! lol

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no i dont, houses arent living animals. I think that flipping houses is an interesting job and a way to get the bills payed

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And so, as you so cleverly imply, there are none?

Interesting assumption there.

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No my statement was just a fact. The only one making an assumption was you.

It just seems odd that this information wouldn't be shared; it would probably bring in new business from people who are currently hesitant for such reasons.

I'm not saying its my right to know the business practices of another person but it is my right to not purchase from someone for those reasons.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

No my statement was just a fact. The only one making an assumption was you.

It just seems odd that this information wouldn't be shared; it would probably bring in new business from people who are currently hesitant for such reasons.

I'm not saying its my right to know the business practices of another person but it is my right to not purchase from someone for those reasons.

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Hmmmm, a right you say? Interesting. I'd go more with option, but to each his own.

I make no assumptions, merely interpret what I read and there was a heavy implication of a negative nature in your post.

You have a right to your opinion and to express that opinion, but no guarantee that what you write will be read as you think it should.

It is entirely within the realm of possibility that I am incorrect in my interpretation.

But, given your response and the initial statement you made, I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by matt71915

Personally i think its wrong to do but its a part of the snake industry.

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Why would you think it's wrong? Virtually EVERYBODY who makes their living in the reptile trade resells animals at one time or another.

I know that there are certain individuals who have been running a campaign to demonize resellers and are trying to make the label 'flipper' into a derogatory term. Don't buy into the hype.

It's not the widespread practice of reselling snakes that is the problem, it's how certain individuals go about it that is the problem.

messing with u matt i agree with u flipping animals is stupid alot of dealers will trade and no nothing about them or how many time its been feed and then there like ya i produced it blah blah blah

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Originally Posted by kris62901

messing with u matt i agree with u flipping animals is stupid alot of dealers will trade and no nothing about them or how many time its been feed and then there like ya i produced it blah blah blah

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I wonder what ELSE is stupid.....

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Why would you think it's wrong? Virtually EVERYBODY who makes their living in the reptile trade resells animals at one time or another.

I know that there are certain individuals who have been running a campaign to demonize resellers and are trying to make the label 'flipper' into a derogatory term. Don't buy into the hype.

It's not the widespread practice of reselling snakes that is the problem, it's how certain individuals go about it that is the problem.

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I know what you mean, its not like i wont buy a flipped snake. The female butter i just bought was a flipped snake. Im not in the anti flipper wagon but i dont really like it.

hmmmmmmm i have to think about that..... flipping snakes....... so far just have people who flip snakes lol

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Originally Posted by kris62901

hmmmmmmm i have to think about that..... flipping snakes....... so far just have people who flip snakes lol

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So then, the buyers of these flipped snakes, the ones who actually keep the "stupid" flippers in business, they are what, geniuses?

No, I guess that statement would in and of itself be stupid, wouldn't it? They couldn't be very smart if they were keeping stupid people in business. Could they?

Well, for those of us who are stupid, we'll just leave it to those of you who are of superior intelligence to know where to draw the line.

Between stupid and anything else, that is.

You CAN draw a line, can't you?

Wes,

My original post wasn't intended to have a connotation of any sort. Just two facts.

The second is just the situation how I honestly see it.

For what its worth I've read numberous positive experiences about JnJ on the boards. The reality is some people have other considerations outside of reputation when it comes to making a purchase.

I agree with Mark that the buyer should always quarantine.

I'm just putting another opinion out there for the OP to be able to formulate their own decision on. I would like to feel comfortable buying from someone who resells but I haven't got there yet. I could just be paranoid when it comes to this, but its not my intention to demonize anybody.

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Originally Posted by kris62901

messing with u matt i agree with u flipping animals is stupid alot of dealers will trade and no nothing about them or how many time its been feed and then there like ya i produced it blah blah blah

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Alright, and i agree, if the person doing the flip can at least give you all the info and be honest about it, its not that bad.

theres only a handful of good snake flippers the rest are bs :gj: and the BS ones overwhelm the good ones by milesssssssssssss

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Why would you think it's wrong? Virtually EVERYBODY who makes their living in the reptile trade resells animals at one time or another.

I know that there are certain individuals who have been running a campaign to demonize resellers and are trying to make the label 'flipper' into a derogatory term. Don't buy into the hype.

It's not the widespread practice of reselling snakes that is the problem, it's how certain individuals go about it that is the problem.

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While I don't necessarily agree with your first point, and don't know who you are referring to on your second point, I do tend to agree with your third point. I little honesty is appreciated. If you sell someone's animals, just say so. Don't lie and say you produced them or skirt the issue when asked. There is just something dirty about people like that.

theres a good amount of people that flip snakes and are legit, jnj being one. I just purchased the Butter from Matt Watkins and he told me he didnt produce her, so that pretty much means the she was a flipped snake as she is only a month old and 65 grams. Like Mark said, basicly everyone making a living in the industry has or does flip a snake at some point.

Incidentally, I would suggest that the mods think about splitting this thread off into a separate discussion. JnJ has a good reputation in the business and it seems unfair to link this to them.

I was short on females to grow as future breeders, I bought 8 08 CH females from them. All of them have a little something "different" about them, all normals but some reduced, lots of blushing, dark, ect. JnJ was honest with me on what I was getting and give me a pretty good price. I had no problems with the animals and all eat well and are growing as expected. I was satisfied with there honesty and the transaction as a whole. Only thing I did not like was the snakes were shipped in deli cups, plenty of newspaper in an insulated shipping box (guess I am just a stickler for snake bags).

For the record, I've never done business with them but I would not only highly recommend them but do business with them in a heartbeat if they had something I wanted.

I've known of them since they started and they have always been honest and had a reputation for great animals.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

For the record, I've never done business with them but I would not only highly recommend them but do business with them in a heartbeat if they had something I wanted.

I've known of them since they started and they have always been honest and had a reputation for great animals.

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I am the first to say that I have been hard on them. The other day was the first time I ever saw them admit that they sell Ian's animals. A couple years ago I was very much on the anti flipper bandwagon. I then began to realize that there needs to be some distinction. My problems these days aren't with flippers so much as with people who resell and either lie about it or sell sick snakes.

I absolutely apologize to JnJ for any harm my words caused them. They have a stellar reputation and that is really what should count.

I am officially retiring the word flipper from my vocabulary.

It's very easy to get sucked into a wolfpack mentality on message boards. Sometimes it's warranted and the scumbags get the beating they deserve. Sometimes the lines get blurred. As a buyer, take everything into consideration and do what you feel is best.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

It's very easy to get sucked into a wolfpack mentality on message boards. Sometimes it's warranted and the scumbags get the beating they deserve. Sometimes the lines get blurred. As a buyer, take everything into consideration and do what you feel is best.

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I know of some damnfine Wolfpacks. Why I may even be a member of one or two my own self.

You are correct about consideration of everything, it is very important.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

While I don't necessarily agree with your first point, and don't know who you are referring to on your second point, I do tend to agree with your third point. I little honesty is appreciated. If you sell someone's animals, just say so. Don't lie and say you produced them or skirt the issue when asked. There is just something dirty about people like that.

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Exactly. Many years ago I prebought a snake from someone who hadn't produced it yet. I kept in regular contact and was given a running commentary on when the snakes were breeding and when she was ovulating and when the eggs were laid etc etc etc... finally received the snake and then found out later that the guy I had bought it from had purchased him from someone else and the whole running history I was told was one big web of lies. The snake I got was great, he looks good, I got him for a good price, and he's been a great breeder. But it STILL irks me that I was lied to like that, and this was many years ago.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Exactly. Many years ago I prebought a snake from someone who hadn't produced it yet. I kept in regular contact and was given a running commentary on when the snakes were breeding and when she was ovulating and when the eggs were laid etc etc etc... finally received the snake and then found out later that the guy I had bought it from had purchased him from someone else and the whole running history I was told was one big web of lies. The snake I got was great, he looks good, I got him for a good price, and he's been a great breeder. But it STILL irks me that I was lied to like that, and this was many years ago.

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Yup. I have personally bought animals from people that claimed to have bred them and then found out later that they only resold snakes. The animals are all in great condition and have done well for me.

I purchased a few animals from JnJ a couple years ago.

No complaints here. Smooth easy transaction. Shipped properly. Healthy good looking animals.

I would purchase from them again and recommend them to anyone who may be considering.

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Originally Posted by matt71915

Alright, and i agree, if the person doing the flip can at least give you all the info and be honest about it, its not that bad.

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Just to add my experience with JnJ to this. When I purchased my het albino from them, I also got a certification/pedigree signed by Ian G. himself. They were very honest and were more than willing to provide me with all the info I needed.

ive dealt with jnj and i could not find one thing to complain about