Pewter Male X Normal Female

What will this give me ?

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pewters
pastels
cinny or black pastels
normals

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Originally Posted by nixer

pewters
pastels
cinny or black pastels
normals

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Cool Thanks! Any Hets ?

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Originally Posted by nixer

pewters
pastels
cinny or black pastels
normals

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You can get pewters from breeding a pewter to a normal??? How does that work since the off spring recieve one gene from each parent??

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Originally Posted by BurmGirl23

Cool Thanks! Any Hets ?

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a pewter is a cross of 2 codom genes so every baby that carrys either gene or both would display it

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Originally Posted by BurmGirl23

Cool Thanks! Any Hets ?

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No..A pewter is a Cinny x Pastel. Both are co-dominant genes. However, while they aren't referred to as hets, Pastel and Cinny are het for their super form.

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Originally Posted by BurmGirl23

Cool Thanks! Any Hets ?

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No hets all the animals involved are co dom. :)

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

You can get pewters from breeding a pewter to a normal???

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YES!!!

This is one of my Pewter to Normal clutches...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1090793.jpg

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

YES!!!

This is one of my Pewter to Normal clutches...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1090793.jpg

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Me = Jealous

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

YES!!!

This is one of my Pewter to Normal clutches...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1090793.jpg

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Im confused now. So if I bred a bee to a norm then I could get bees? Same principal just different morphs involved. Not trying to be difficult Iseriously thought each parent had to had the needed genes for the combo trying to be produced. So a pewter to normal produced pewter would not have gotten any genes (well regarding coloration/pattern) from the normal parent I don't understand how that works.

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

Im confused now. So if I bred a bee to a norm then I could get bees? Same principal just different morphs involved.

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Yep...

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

Im confused now. So if I bred a bee to a norm then I could get bees? Same principal just different morphs involved.

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yes you can.

Well I guess the old saying is true. "The Day you stop learning is the day you die" lol. HMMMM now I want to purchase some codom combos lol. Nah screw it im close enough to making some myself.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

YES!!!

This is one of my Pewter to Normal clutches...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1090793.jpg

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i wish i get this lucky with my bumblebee x mojave clutch:please:

Yep, a Pewter crossed with a normal will give you 25% Pewters, 25% Pastels, 25% Cinnamon/Black Pastels, 25% normals. (Just did a quick-and-dirty Punnett square.)

Thanks Guys! That is one nice looking clutch there LadyOhh! I hope i get as lucky as you! :)

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Originally Posted by BurmGirl23

Cool Thanks! Any Hets ?

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LOL i was talking to the guy at my reptile shop, and he asked some pairings i might do this season, and i said "Maybe spider to normal to get a few spiders and normals", and he said, "you wont get any normals, you will get spiders and het spiders" :D HAHAHA

wow, Lady got FOUR pewters... thats just not real LOL

I think the clearest way to explain it is this:

If you know that a het animal does not show the trait it is het for (it looks normal), and it takes two copies of that gene to show it (for example, to make an albino, you need 2 copies of the albino gene--one copy gives you a het)...

Then....

Think of co-dominant animals as het for super. In other words, cinnamon is het for super-cinnamon. Pastel is het for super-pastel. It is just that with co-doms, the het animals do not look normal.

A pewter is therefore actually double-het for super-cinnamon and super-pastel. Do you see? It's heterozygous for both traits, it's not homozygous for anything.

Since you only need one copy of the gene to show a visual trait in the animal, the parent, which carries one copy of each different gene (cinnamon and pastel) can pass on one copy of each to its offspring--resulting in another pewter. It might also pass on the normal copies of those genes--resulting in a normal, in the same clutch. Or it might pass on only one, and one normal copy--resulting in a pastel, or in a cinnamon.

If you breed a pewter to a pewter, then the fun REALLY would begin. ;) You'd have a chance that one copy of each co-dom gene would be passed from each parent, resulting in the super forms...so you could get super-pastel silver streaks (not sure what those are called), silver streaks, sterlings, pewters, super pastels, super-cinnamons, pastels, cinnamons, and normals... lol.

The pastel, spider, cinnamon genes, in whatever co dom double morph you are using, all reside on different alleles. They are not the same as supers, or animals that can have 2 different genes share the same allele, such as a super stripe(yellowbelly and specter) or a lucy created with a combination of lesser/mojave/butter/russo.

Robin
H2 Exotics

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

The pastel, spider, cinnamon genes, in whatever co dom double morph you are using, all reside on different alleles. They are not the same as supers, or animals that can have 2 different genes share the same allele, such as a super stripe(yellowbelly and specter) or a lucy created with a combination of lesser/mojave/butter/russo.

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Exactly. This is why a Bumblebee bred to a normal can produce more Bumblebees, but a blue-eyed leucistic (say, Lesser x Mojave) bred to a normal will only produce Lessers and Mojaves. It all depends on if the genes are on the same allele or not.

But don't ask me to explain what alleles are. Darn it, Jim, I'm a physicist, not a biologist! ;)